Another Dr. Who question
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Posted on: 2012-01-19 22:11 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
It might be fun to have the actors return but have them reprise other roles.
You could even hint that they are all time traveling descendants of the Doctor and River, though of course that would never be confirmed. But being descendants would explain why they all favor past incarnations of the Doctor.
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Sylvester McCoy suggested this in a relatively recent interview I saw, and I think he mentioned telling it to Moffat, so I would rate it as being pretty high in the possiblity list. Not guaranteed, but high.
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Originally Posted by Rezarus
It might be fun to have the actors return but have them reprise other roles.
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The TRON effects were pretty decent but still looked a little artificial at times.|
Originally Posted by Clave_Dark_5
I haven't seen the new Tron yet, but I have seen the Curious Case of Benjamin Button, where, iirc, they used a ton of CGI to show us the old-looking (young) Brad Pitt as well as the younger-looking (old). The old one we got to see a fair amount - moving around, doing things, etc. The young one? Not so much, I recall he stood around, partially hidden in shadow in a dark room! I don't think our CGI, even with unlimited budgets, can really get us that far yet.
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I imagine at the very least, we'll see a Smith/Tennant team-up, since those two are the best-known to the current audience. And then cameos by whichever other Doctors are willing & able.
It would be fun to see a series of mini-episodes (ala Time Crash), each one featuring a different Doctor and one of their companions.
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I wonder if anyone considers Jenny and Donna as Doctors.
I really would have liked a happier ending for Donna.
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Donna didn't get her "happy happy" ending. Considering the circumstances, I don't think there was any way she could. Still, she got a nominally happy sendoff. The temp from Chiswick winning triple rollover? As a gift from her dad (with a little help by way of a space man with a time traveling police box)?
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Originally Posted by Rezarus
I wonder if anyone considers Jenny and Donna as Doctors.
I really would have liked a happier ending for Donna. |
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He seems to keep going back and forth on answering the question of his tenure in interviews. Here's some more of what he said at the National Television Awards:|
Originally Posted by DarkGob
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| I just sort of take each year as it comes really. We've got all the rest of this year to get through and then we'll just sit down and review it from there and see where it goes. |
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| I think there will need to be a younger, cooler person than me - or maybe an older, cooler person, who knows? But I don't think I'll be doing it as long as Mr Baker. |
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Or to put it another way:|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
So, if there's one thing we've learned in this thread, it's that one Doctor Who-related question leads to another that rarely gets answered.
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Doctor Who? DOCTOR WHO?
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i think it's fair to have a consideration for 8 as the longest running, since for all those years with no Doctor Who TV, he WAS the Doctor for all the fans still following. we shouldn't downplay that. but caveats are understood, he was audio only.
as for Smith, it took a while for me to warm up to him. i think he really started to come into the role for me with the first Christmas special, which i quite enjoyed. i think from there he became a much more fleshed out and realized Doctor. it helps that they started treating him more like his own Doctor and less like a corporate construct trying to recapture Tennant with pithy catchphrases.
and i agree with another who said that Smith comes across to me as a Doctor who, true to form, is always running away and grappling with that desire and the trauma that follows him. i love it. he has become one of my favorites.
note that it also took about a season for me to really warm up to Tennant as well.
i say stick with it. i look forward to seeing what's next, and i'm all for a multi-doc story come the anniversary. i want to see 8 and 11 together. =) i'll settle for 8 and 10, which would still be grand. would also love 9, though i doubt Eccleston'll be back.
Just saw Victory of the Daleks. And I figured that this scene would be goofy enough even with the context, but wow... that was some crazy "Wait... How?! WHY?!" "WHO CARES?! JUST GO WITH IT!!!" stuff right there. And I don't mean that in a good way either.
Why would the Daleks go undercover with the Allies during WW2 when the Nazis are pretty much the human embodiment of "You think like a Da-lek!"?
How can Daleks program such a human-like android when they have no concept of any emotions other than hate?
How long did it take them to re-fit the Spitfires for space travel, give them GI Joe guns, AND get them into space? About a minute and a half?
Really, why with the Power Rangers coloring?
How could getting the android to think about his fake human memories possibly override his Dalek time-to-detonate-the-bomb programming? Why would the Daleks even allow for something like this to happen? My friend and I started joking that if the Daleks were capable of setting up such a ridiculous Batman gambit in the first place, they should have compensated for the Doctor trying some oddball scheme to deactivate the bomb, have it go on a delay so the Doctor goes away, then have the android either detonate or go on a berserk rampage when the Doctor is long gone.
So the Progenitor Device needed either pure Dalek DNA or a vocal recording of the Doctor's voice to work? Why the sam**** they would do that aside, the Daleks couldn't confirm the identity of a newly regenerated Doctor until he went on a 3 minute rant about how much he hates the Daleks, right in front of them. So...the Progenitor was able to compensate for the Doctor having a different voice from what would have been known at the time the thing was made then too?
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good luck D.B.B.
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You have our sympathies. It's as though Mark Gatiss asked himself, "How can I make a Dalek episode that was worse than Daleks in Manhattan/Evolution of the Daleks?" It's as though he played with model airplanes and toy Daleks together as a child to come up with that one.|
Originally Posted by Agonus
Just saw Victory of the Daleks.
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With New Who, I've learned that some episodes require a memory wipe.
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Given that their apparent goal was to snag themselves the Doctor, it would have made no sense to ally with the Nazis.|
Originally Posted by Agonus
Why would the Daleks go undercover with the Allies during WW2 when the Nazis are pretty much the human embodiment of "You think like a Da-lek!"?
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| How can Daleks program such a human-like android when they have no concept of any emotions other than hate? |
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| How long did it take them to re-fit the Spitfires for space travel, give them GI Joe guns, AND get them into space? About a minute and a half? |
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| Really, why with the Power Rangers coloring? |
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| How could getting the android to think about his fake human memories possibly override his Dalek time-to-detonate-the-bomb programming? Why would the Daleks even allow for something like this to happen? |
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Short answer: Because it is the kind of stuff that, while being corny as hell, is still amusing and enjoyable.... at least to some of us. |
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Given that their apparent goal was to snag themselves the Doctor, it would have made no sense to ally with the Nazis.
They can conceive of such emotions, but they hate them. It took an A-Team minute. Also: Prop planes in space are awesome. Because it was awesome. Because even Daleks have to bow to the universal rule that you can defeat anything with the power of Love and/or Friendship. |
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I've read enough superhero comics in my time to have a pretty high tolerance for far-out plots. Some New Who is good quality stuff. Some New Who is plain goofy fun. And then sometimes the New Who writers relied on a little too much chemical inspiration and even I'm at a loss.
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Originally Posted by MortisEques
Short answer: Because it is the kind of stuff that, while being corny as hell, is still amusing and enjoyable.... at least to some of us.
Edit: I frequently roll my eyes at some of the action or dialog in the show but I enjoy every moment of it. |
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good luck D.B.B.
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It wasn't awesome with Peter Cushing's Dr. {sic} Who and the Daleks movie, and it's not awesome now. It's a blatant tactic to sell a new line of Dalek dolls.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
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| Because even Daleks have to bow to the universal rule that you can defeat anything with the power of Love and/or Friendship. |
I'm just relieved Matt Smith's second series didn't have any such misfires. I'm a little wary of the rumors that next series, Smith's Doctor will visit the ruined planet Skaro, though.
The BBC Book 'War of the Daleks' (One of the first Eighth Doctor Novels) was commissioned by Terrance Dicks and the BBC to explain that the 7th Doctor somehow destroyed a duplicate Skaro. I suppose this was done to explain how the hell the Master was tried by Squeaky Daleks at the beginning of the movie ON Skaro despite the fact it was destroyed in a supernova.
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I hardly see any Doctor Who toys stateside, so any blithering about tactics to sell fabled toylines is falling on deaf ears. In any case, I've enjoyed multi-coloured Daleks in the series for ages. Gold, black, and grey (and white?) were fine in the past, but the bright colours amuse me greatly.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
It wasn't awesome with Peter Cushing's Dr. {sic} Who and the Daleks movie, and it's not awesome now. It's a blatant tactic to sell a new line of Dalek dolls.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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You are aware, I trust, that things exist outside your own narrow experience, so toy tie-ins are a real factor in New Who.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
I hardly see any Doctor Who toys stateside, so any blithering about tactics to sell fabled toylines is falling on deaf ears. In any case, I've enjoyed multi-coloured Daleks in the series for ages. Gold, black, and grey (and white?) were fine in the past, but the bright colours amuse me greatly.
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Also, if you think the Daleks are amusing, then you're already missing the point Terry Nation was making.
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Both. It's also Peter Pan. And Shakespeare. And Lovecraft. And Forgotten Realms. And a hodge podge of other things. Or haven't you been paying attention?
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(Also, Forgotten Realms? Now you're just trying to find things in Doctor Who to suit your own tastes.)
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They may be a real factor somewhere, but they're irrelevant to me. Were they relevant, I might have a multi-coloured set of Daleks on a shelf. A Heavy Weapons/Tank Dalek would be awesome, too. Sly McCoy's Doc would be selling that one.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
You are aware, I trust, that things exist outside your own narrow experience, so toy tie-ins are a real factor in New Who.
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| And with all hodge-podges, some elements don't work that well in the mix. Jumbling up Daleks, spaceships, Spitfires, and bad Winston Churchill impressions is simply juvenile. If you want to see how Doctor Who can pull off World War II allusions, go watch "The Dalek Invasion of Earth" serial. |
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| (Also, Forgotten Realms? Now you're just trying to find things in Doctor Who to suit your own tastes.) |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Erm, you are aware that the BBC is also a business, out there to actually make money? These toys that you seem to hate so much will bring in more money for the BBC, giving them more money to make Doctor Who and other tv shows we enjoy.|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
It wasn't awesome with Peter Cushing's Dr. {sic} Who and the Daleks movie, and it's not awesome now. It's a blatant tactic to sell a new line of Dalek dolls.
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Well, that's a solipistic approach. Whatever works for you.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
They may be a real factor somewhere, but they're irrelevant to me.
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| The Runaway Bride - The Doctor versus Lolth. |
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Originally Posted by Coin
Erm, you are aware that the BBC is also a business, out there to actually make money?
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The central theme of the Daleks as villains in Doctor Who, like the Sontarans and the Cybermen, is that in their mission to conquer and destroy, they've utterly deindividuated themselves. (Daleks with their own names in New Who are heretics of the Cult of Skaro, for instance.) Making them color-coded for convenience misses the point - unless the point is to sell more toys.
So, since it has been confirmed that Amy and Rory are leaving this season, who votes for Sally Sparrow to get a ride in the TARDIS?
Oh, and Matt Smith is awesome as the Doctor. To misquote the Brigadier, played by the much missed Nicholas Courtney, "Splendid chap, all of them!"
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound