This girl has it all figured out
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Posted on: 2011-12-26 24:14 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
For the sake of the topic, then: I do play some superheroic princesses.
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Well, princesses are often quite heroic in stories |
Originally Posted by Aneko
For the sake of the topic, then: I do play some superheroic princesses.
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Originally Posted by Tormentoso
Wow. This thread went from a girl rant about superheroes not being aimed at girls to a generic gender/sexism fight pretty fast.
Probably not fast enough for this place, but still. Very impressed. |
To be honest......all it took was a certain someone's post to turn it into that.
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At that age, it seems she is simply parroting things rather than actually understanding the situation. Maybe she'll grow up thinking a certain way because that's what she was told to think. Not seeing any improvement there.
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I have five catgirls.|
Originally Posted by Aneko
For the sake of the topic, then: I do play some superheroic princesses.
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Is that good or bad?
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Originally Posted by mercykilling
To be honest......all it took was a certain someone's post to turn it into that.
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That depends. Do you keep them in a cage?
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
I have five catgirls.
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'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.
All gender bias will one day be overcome with My Little Bronies. Who are pink. And have guns. Guns of friendship. And war.
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Which isn't as long standing as most people think. For the longest time it was the other way around.|
Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
I really don't see a problem here besides probably the long standing figure of pink = girl, blue = boy
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Apparently as late as 1900, dressmaker's guides referred to blue as the traditional girl's color (being paler) and pink being the color for boys.
And it persisted longer than that in some places at least. A 1927 news story about the Princess of Belgium being disappointed at having a female child, as she had already decorated the nursery all in pink, in anticipation of having a male heir.
So "pink for girls, blue for boys" may be under a century old.
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This is one of the things that really amuses me. Also, the term 'boy' used to refer to servants, of any gender, and all children (again of any gender) were called 'girls' [Technically boi and gurle in Middle English]. In olden times (about 13th century or before), gender differentiation in children didn't become an issue until puberty, when it actually does make a difference. While not all of this survived past the 13th century, bits and pieces did. |
Originally Posted by Shagster
Which isn't as long standing as most people think. For the longest time it was the other way around.
Apparently as late as 1900, dressmaker's guides referred to blue as the traditional girl's color (being paler) and pink being the color for boys. And it persisted longer than that in some places at least. A 1927 news story about the Princess of Belgium being disappointed at having a female child, as she had already decorated the nursery all in pink, in anticipation of having a male heir. So "pink for girls, blue for boys" may be under a century old. (the fun things you learn watching QI!) |
For example, dressing all children identically lasted up to the Victorian times. Bring an early Victorian matron into the modern day, and she'd be very confused as to why we are making boys and girls dress differently and play with different toys.
A lot of the rigid class and gender roles really ossified in the Edwardian period, prior to WWI. We can't *really* blame the Victorians for it, as much as we'd like to.
It does sound coached, but its also not a bad observation, id say a more damning indictment of toys gender bias is how girls toys tend to be about passive social interaction whereas boys toys are oriented more towards active competitive play. Those both reinforce far worse things (passivity for girls and d-baggery for boys) than some color schemes that let befuddled relatives find their product when they are trying to find gifts for the kids.
And while z was partially being facetious, the modern mlp is actually a good example of how to market a toy that may not break gender bias' more obvious trappings, it at least treats its target audience with a bit more respect and has found a way to appeal to both boys and girls as a result. (admittedly a lot of the boys are 20 something hipsters, but baby steps i guess)
I remember back in the days, even buying a she-ra toy as a boy got you questioning looks, and she had a sword, dangett.
The idea that pink is for girls may have biological roots.
And a certain Gainsborough painting would seem to indicate that, in the 17th-18th century at least, boys might be associated with the colour blue. It's incidentally often associated with another painting from around the same time which would indicate the girlish association with pink.
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Mountain out of a mole hill.
To me, the little girl was upset that she couldn't buy a doll in a black box. That everything had to and would always be Pink for her.
She couldn't understand why the boys got to get stuff in boxes of all colors while she had no choice but the bright pink. That or she really just wanted to see Superman in a pink box...
Valid observations for her age.
As far as the whole blue=boys pink=Girls deal, personally I blame the 50's.
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As I recall, the DC Superheroes line of Barbie dolls come in boxes of a variety of colours.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
To me, the little girl was upset that she couldn't buy a doll in a black box. That everything had to and would always be Pink for her.
She couldn't understand why the boys got to get stuff in boxes of all colors while she had no choice but the bright pink. That or she really just wanted to see Superman in a pink box... Valid observations for her age. |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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We've moved on from the 50s |
Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
As far as the whole blue=boys pink=Girls deal, personally I blame the 50's.
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Except for, you know, the parts that are not.|
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If you're a guy, then you probably haven't noticed that parts of society is still balanced in your favor
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And all the little things.
The guy still pays for the date. There are still people who go out of their way to hold doors open for women. Women almost never have to pay for a drink if they don't want to. Women are more likely to get out of a ticket. Custody battles still heavily favor the mother, even when she's not the primary caregiver. Studies have shown women are perceived as more trustworthy when given the same script to read as males to convince someone to reveal something embarrassing about themselves. Women in the service industry tend to get better tips.
You're right. Society still doesn't treat women equally. But women aren't so fast to complain at the stuff that works in their favor.
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Wow. This thread went from a girl rant about superheroes not being aimed at girls to a generic gender/sexism fight pretty fast.
Probably not fast enough for this place, but still. Very impressed.