Discussion: Featured Items at the Paragon Market - 12/20/11
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Posted on: 2011-12-20 11:15 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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While I don't agree with this statement, I can see where there is griefing potential. I wonder if there can be a setting from Null the Gull to not be able to be pelted with a Snowball?
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Originally Posted by Angerdog
heh, you're concerns do no matter to the new glorious direction of City of heroes: nickel and dimed.. Errrr I mean freedom! The days of of being concerned for the small, but loyal RP'ers and long time supporters, is long gone. Long live the days of rushed Packs, and money grabbing. So long as the griefers shell out the cash, they'll keep a light on for em. ;P
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RP it in the sense of Kramer from Seinfeld. He kept snowballs in his freezer until the summer so that he could pelt people out of season. Failing that, use it as someone scraping the frost from their freezer and making snowballs.
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Originally Posted by Mikuruneko
The decision to include the snowball power as a permanent option in the Winter Holiday Pack is... interesting.
A number of RPers, while they enjoy a good snowball fight on occasion, find it rather difficult to enjoy their RP if they're dancing at a radio show or just doing their own thing if people continually pelt them with snowballs. Even moreso when the people doing the snowball throwing won't stop if you ask them politely to. With the inclusion of that power in the pack, there's now no respite from this form of RP griefing. At least before, we knew that if we waited long enough after the event, it'd stop. Now we have all year long to look forward to people who feel the need to keep others from having fun doing what they do. Please reconsider this, or at least let Null the Gull give us the option to not be able to be hit by them (which you probably actually can't do with current tech, sadly). |
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Originally Posted by Goblin_Queen
While I don't agree with this statement, I can see where there is griefing potential. I wonder if there can be a setting from Null the Gull to not be able to be pelted with a Snowball?
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Admittedly I'm being grumpy and hyperbolic, but I was at an in game event just this weekend, where someone would not stop griefing with the snowballs. And multiple polite requests to desist by many many people attending was ignored.
Personally I'm not looking forward to this. But then again various decisions Paragon studios has made has caused me to spend far less time in the game then I have in the past several years I've played. Just one more addition to not make me regret cancelling my sub and spending less time around. But that is neither here nor there. Back to the point, is there will be griefing, there will be unhappy players. I do hope the devs consider the ability disallow being affected by snowballs. I doubt it. But I do hope.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
RP it in the sense of Kramer from Seinfeld. He kept snowballs in his freezer until the summer so that he could pelt people out of season. Failing that, use it as someone scraping the frost from their freezer and making snowballs.
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Doesn't quite work that way for everyone I'm afraid.
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Certainly valid means to explain getting hit by a snowball in July. Reminds me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon. XD|
Originally Posted by Dark One
RP it in the sense of Kramer from Seinfeld. He kept snowballs in his freezer until the summer so that he could pelt people out of season. Failing that, use it as someone scraping the frost from their freezer and making snowballs.
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The problem I have is that getting hit by snowballs breaks emotes and having to constantly reset the emote you want your character to be doing for RP purposes because people won't stop hitting you with them is annoying.
Of course, I can solve the problem myself by simply not going to the D or any of the other usual RP hangouts... though that kinda defeats the purpose.
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Giving some additional thought to potential griefing, I suppose the devs _could_ tag the Snowball power to be affected by the D's anti-teleport field. Since that doesn't work outside of the D proper the Chalet wouldn't be affected and the D itself could be free of that particular griefing.
That doesn't solve the problem with meetings outside of the D but since the D is a major RP hub it might be enough.
Just a thought.
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You could say that about ANY power that breaks emotes. There's always the option to take it to a SG base if it gets truly out of hand. Failing that, you could bind the emotes to a keystroke so that you don't have to hunt for it.|
Originally Posted by Mikuruneko
Certainly valid means to explain getting hit by a snowball in July. Reminds me of a Bugs Bunny cartoon. XD
The problem I have is that getting hit by snowballs breaks emotes and having to constantly reset the emote you want your character to be doing for RP purposes because people won't stop hitting you with them is annoying. Of course, I can solve the problem myself by simply not going to the D or any of the other usual RP hangouts... though that kinda defeats the purpose. |
Just remember, the more you react to the griefers, the more they'll grief you. If they don't get a rise out of you, they'll move onto other targets.
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And I get about as annoyed with those powers too. =)|
Originally Posted by Dark One
You could say that about ANY power that breaks emotes. There's always the option to take it to a SG base if it gets truly out of hand. Failing that, you could bind the emotes to a keystroke so that you don't have to hunt for it.
Just remember, the more you react to the griefers, the more they'll grief you. If they don't get a rise out of you, they'll move onto other targets. |
Though one of the big complaints I hear is that "everyone's always just RPing in their SG bases", that is indeed an option. I generally try to not react to the griefers, but it still kinda puts a damper on your day when people decide their need to troll you outweighs being respectful. There's only so much you can ignore.
Of course, that can be said about quite a number of actions taken by any group.
I'm not angry about it. I'm not going to quit over it. I'm certainly not going to let it make me stop RPing. I just wonder if the devs understood the griefing potential. I guess it wasn't enough to rule out doing what they're doing so it will be what it is.
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Crazy question but if someone is bothering you repeatedly with the snowball couldn't you just report them to the GMs? If you and the other people they are harrasing did this it would surely result in some action.
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You are absolutely correct. A petition under Harassment could be filed and reviewed by the GMs. It doesn't provide immediate relief though and it's always questionable whether RP griefing will actually merit GM action or not. Given the number of griefers who say they don't care if they get petitioned because nothing ever happens to them, it's hard to say whether it's effective or not.|
Originally Posted by Moly
Crazy question but if someone is bothering you repeatedly with the snowball couldn't you just report them to the GMs? If you and the other people they are harrasing did this it would surely result in some action.
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But you are, again, absolutely correct, that action can be taken by those being griefed.
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I bought the Winter Holiday pack. 400 points is a fair price, and I appreciate the convenience of not needing to run missions/collect candy canes for any new characters that would use these items. It also means that I'll be able to use these costume parts for any new concepts that might require them at any point in the year.
I know I normally pass on time-limited items on the market on principle (since I'm against artificial scarcity of digital goods), but I'm making an exception here because most of these are also earnable in-game, and consequently it's a convenience buy for me. Also, I'm assuming the pack will be back next year.
With the New Year's pack and Staff Melee coming up, I may have to buy some extra points. Keep putting out good values like this faster than my stipend can keep up, and I'll keep buying points.
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I notice character slots have also gone on sale for 50% off this week. Is there a reason that's not mentioned? Or should I keep my mouth shut because that wasn't meant to happen?
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A number of the buffs that break emotes are now AoE. Actually most of them are, i think. And those powers also usually surround your character with an aura, many of which can be made very bright and gaudy colours. Yes, you can cancel them, but somehow i find suddenly being engulfed in hot pink flames in addition to having an emote interrupted far more annoying.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
You could say that about ANY power that breaks emotes. There's always the option to take it to a SG base if it gets truly out of hand. Failing that, you could bind the emotes to a keystroke so that you don't have to hunt for it.
Just remember, the more you react to the griefers, the more they'll grief you. If they don't get a rise out of you, they'll move onto other targets. |
So the main advantage to the snowball compared to every other emote disrupting power that's available year round is the ability to harass a single target.
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Nearly any buff will break an emote too. I don't see many griefers willing to spend real $money when they could just use a shield buffer.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
You could say that about ANY power that breaks emotes. There's always the option to take it to a SG base if it gets truly out of hand. Failing that, you could bind the emotes to a keystroke so that you don't have to hunt for it.
Just remember, the more you react to the griefers, the more they'll grief you. If they don't get a rise out of you, they'll move onto other targets. |
Just petition the whacker who do use it to grief. Dont take away my toys for a just in case.
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I hope it was supposed to happen, because while 25% off didn't make me buy character slots that I didn't really need yet, 50% off sure as hell did.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I notice character slots have also gone on sale for 50% off this week. Is there a reason that's not mentioned? Or should I keep my mouth shut because that wasn't meant to happen?
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Thanks for the heads up!
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If it wasn't supposed to happen just i hope they're still that way by the time i get home.
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I notice character slots have also gone on sale for 50% off this week. Is there a reason that's not mentioned? Or should I keep my mouth shut because that wasn't meant to happen?
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Updated! Character slots x1, x2, and x5 are on sale for 50% until December 26, 11:59 p.m. PST (December 27 2:59 a.m. EST / 7:59 a.m. GMT / 8:59 a.m. CET)!
ARGH!
Why is it people can focus on one power and how it can be used to grief and completely forget that just about every other power can be used to grief?
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- A Mastermind comes in with their pets doing all sorts of zany emotes. So... remove Masterminds from the game!
- Someone plops themselves down rocking a loud and bright aura. So... remove Empathy and Thorns and Fire sets from the game!
- Someone hits you with a power and it breaks your emote. So... remove all buffs from the game!
- Someone responds to all your /local chat. So... remove chat from the game!
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Cool beans. And what service! I make a topic just last night about the inconvenient cost, and the very next day...I end up with double what I needed! Tell Ghost Falcon I said thanks. Grabbed a five-pack for my main account, too.
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
Updated! Character slots x1, x2, and x5 are on sale for 50% until December 26, 11:59 p.m. PST (December 27 2:59 a.m. EST / 7:59 a.m. GMT / 8:59 a.m. CET)!
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If you ask them to stop, and they don't (or even better, taunt back) oh yes they can and will be actioned.|
Originally Posted by Mikuruneko
You are absolutely correct. A petition under Harassment could be filed and reviewed by the GMs. It doesn't provide immediate relief though and it's always questionable whether RP griefing will actually merit GM action or not. Given the number of griefers who say they don't care if they get petitioned because nothing ever happens to them, it's hard to say whether it's effective or not.
But you are, again, absolutely correct, that action can be taken by those being griefed. |
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
ARGH!
Why is it people can focus on one power and how it can be used to grief and completely forget that just about every other power can be used to grief? RPing in Pocket D and...
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Anyone seen a video for the new "Present Costume Change Emote"? Change it up a bit and it could be a "Jumping Out of a Cake Costume Change Emote".
Also, when are we going to get some new winter clothes options? If you need some ideas: Mrs. Claus (Sexy but SFW).
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
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I'm a bit confused as to why these are featured. Isn't 800 points the normal price for costume slots?
A shame because if there's one thing guaranteed to get me to spend more points, it's a reduction in the cost of costume slots. *hint, hint*
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Wouldn't a simple solution to the Snowball vs. RPer problem be to add it to Null the Gull's option list of rejected powers (like speedboost)?
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I believe this has been mentioned before, but 'Featured' doesn't mean 'On Sale', it just means 'Hey, look, you may not have seen this on the market before, doesn't it look shiny, don't you want to buy it, eh?'.
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Originally Posted by Dante
I'm a bit confused as to why these are featured. Isn't 800 points the normal price for costume slots?
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The above post may contain Cynicism, sarcasm and/or pessimism. If you object to the quantities contained, then tough.
A number of RPers, while they enjoy a good snowball fight on occasion, find it rather difficult to enjoy their RP if they're dancing at a radio show or just doing their own thing if people continually pelt them with snowballs. Even moreso when the people doing the snowball throwing won't stop if you ask them politely to.
With the inclusion of that power in the pack, there's now no respite from this form of RP griefing. At least before, we knew that if we waited long enough after the event, it'd stop. Now we have all year long to look forward to people who feel the need to keep others from having fun doing what they do. Please reconsider this, or at least let Null the Gull give us the option to not be able to be hit by them (which you probably actually can't do with current tech, sadly).
Cynical, me?