I think I may have finally found something to use Merits on. I don't really like random rolls (as I tend to end up with crap) but at least now I can change the crap into something else.
And IIRC, my 50 Scrapper has a VR recipe he'll never use just waiting to be crafted and converted.
There are so many ways to get the IOs I want now that I am not sure I would use these outside of purples, because I ALWAYS get crappy purple drops when I get them at all.
As for any other IO in the game (outside of PvP IOs) I can use alignment merits, reward merits, the incarnate stores, or the paragon market. Most of those are cheaper and more time effective.
Well, Perhaps I would also use it on AT IOs.
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I just realized that Postron was likely referring to in-set and in-category conversions when he said uncommons might become rare. What I'm describing happened in a conversion along the rarity type. |
Originally Posted by Liquid
There are some bugs right now-- I found some Rares that were classified as Uncommon, and Uncommons classified as Rares for the purpose of these, for some reason. I reported the ones I found. Positron did say that some enhancements might switch rarity, but these appeared to be consistent (I converted a Undermined Defenses: Recharge into an uncommon twice), and shown by the dropdown for conversion type. I don't think I got them through a random chance to get a different type, specifically because the drop down listed their rarity wrong.
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I just wanted to clarify that for anyone who thought that maybe Positron meant that you could get a Rare enhancement when converting an Uncommon using the rarity conversion (the cheapest one). I don't think that was what he meant, and I'm positive that what happened to me was a bug (improperly assigned rarities for conversion's sake to those specific enhancements).
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Hey Posi *thumbs up* I'm digging where things are going to resolve the pains of getting junk recipes after hours of play or all those temp power recipes I would rather not waste the salvage to make. 
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random? meh. "rolling the dice" from one crap enhacement to possibly another? Maybe if it's rare to rare. We sould be able to pick a specific uncommon or common if converted down from a rare just like the incarnate salvage.
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I'm not sure I'm getting the value of this. So we earn or purchase something that allows us to play russian roulette with our enhancements?
Guess the value is just escaping me. No offense anyone, and more things are always better. Just not seeing the value here. If I buy a IO enhancement, I bought the best one for my character, why would I want to randomly change it to something else?
Not trying to be hasty, I just dont understand.
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I stand corrected, now I see a reason to use these. To switch between purple IOs recovered in game.
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Bit late, but I just saw this. Would like to extend thanks to the PS team and NCSoft for making this initial change and listening to your customers =]. Kudos .
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Ever rolled for 5 recipes with an A-merit and been disappointed by the selection? Converters give you a second chance at getting a good recipe. Marketers will also end up buying the really crappy IOs off the market and converting them.|
Originally Posted by Protonic_Flux
I'm not sure I'm getting the value of this. So we earn or purchase something that allows us to play russian roulette with our enhancements?
Guess the value is just escaping me. No offense anyone, and more things are always better. Just not seeing the value here. If I buy a IO enhancement, I bought the best one for my character, why would I want to randomly change it to something else? Not trying to be hasty, I just dont understand. I stand corrected, now I see a reason to use these. To switch between purple IOs recovered in game. |
In the long run, provided converters see regular use, we'll start to see the really low prices come up as demand for them increases and the really high prices drop as supply for them increases. I doubt converters will be used in sufficient numbers to normalize all IOs of a certain rarity to a single price, but the outlying margins should move toward the average at least a little.
I do expect purples to eventually settle within a narrow range, though. This means the end of the cheap sets, I fear. The popular sets may come down in price a little, but the niche sets will shoot up pretty far.
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Hi Positron, I like the idea! I have three questions: 1. is this something being considered for i22? 2. does this apply for BOTH made IOs and recipes? and 3. does this apply to slotted IO in a character as well as unslotted IOs?
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Are you saying that Enhancement Converters can be used to convert an ATO to another ATO?|
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This means you can convert a PVP to another PVP, or a VR to another VR, or an ATO to another ATO...
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And, if so, can they be used to convert other types of MarketOs?
(I thought that these Converters only worked on IOs, and we've been told that ATOs and other MarketOs are not IOs.)
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I'm not Posi, but I can answer 2 of your 3 questions.|
Originally Posted by Majestrix
Hi Positron, I like the idea! I have three questions: 1. is this something being considered for i22? 2. does this apply for BOTH made IOs and recipes? and 3. does this apply to slotted IO in a character as well as unslotted IOs?
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2. Enhancement Converters only work on Enhancements.
3. You have to un-slot an IO before you can try to convert it. Only un-slotted IOs need apply. =)
I had a kind of vague grasp on the mechanics before I looked at it on Beta, and within 5 minutes of playing around with various conversions I got pretty excited about it.
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I have been on Beta and Test and I can not seem to access and Converting Aspects.
Am I doing something wrong(well obviously) or is there a slash command or something.
I saw on Posi's post about being able to use merits to get converter salvage.. Can seem to find that either.
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I'll likely try a few of these out, at least the random drops.|
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Answering some questions:
Converters cannot be traded, they are bound to the character that gets them. PVP is it's own "rarity", as is Very Rare and ATO. This means you can convert a PVP to another PVP, or a VR to another VR, or an ATO to another ATO, but you can't convert a PVP to a VR, ATO, or another Set (and vice verse, no way to get a PVP out of the system unless you put a PVP in to begin with). |
Positron (or any other redname reading who can answer), a couple questions related to this and another upcoming feature:
1) Have you considered putting these in as an option for a tier 9 consumable?
2) On a similar, but not directly related note, with upcoming Catalysts and the various means of acquisition: have you considered
a) putting those in as tier 9 consumables, i.e. 3 per token or some fitting price?
b) allowing the use of Catalysts to turn ANY enhancement on a lvl 50 character into a purple enhancement that then appropriately boosts the enhancement bonuses, the set bonuses and permits the set bonuses to exemplar down with said character?
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After you purchase them, you have to claim them; they'll be in your email, I believe under the "Character Items" tab. You have to claim them one at a time. When you do, you'll get a second selectable option at the top of your Enhancements tray, beside "Manage," which will read "Convert." You can click that to open the conversion interface, which you can drag and drop enhancements to from your tray.|
Originally Posted by Anaku
I have been on Beta and Test and I can not seem to access and Converting Aspects.
Am I doing something wrong(well obviously) or is there a slash command or something. I saw on Posi's post about being able to use merits to get converter salvage.. Can seem to find that either. Anaku |
I think there's also a slash command, something to the effect of /windowopen convertenhancement, but I don't think that's right and haven't tried it personally. Check the thread about these in the Market forum further down for the right command syntax.
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Thanks for the feedback.
I did eventually find then under the store. Like page 7 of 8 for some reason. Got everything to work. Its pretty neat so far.
Was just thinking about these again this morning. Does this mean we can take a 20 mil. inf. purple recipe, say something from the Fortunata Hypnosis set, and keep spinning the wheel at the cost of 1 token a spin with a decent chance of getting something like a piece of the Hectacomb set which ballparks around 500-600m a recipe at times? If so, hot damn.
And if so, please consider including these in the card packs. I think I just found a consumable I'd be happy to get.
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Yes, although it's worth noting that as of last night, there were NO 20m inf purples around; the cheapest had already ballooned to 40-50m, and I suspect that if they work on live the way they do on beta, the cheapest will probably bounce a little higher as demand goes up to create a higher supply of "good" purples, which may have their price diminished somewhat with the increased supply. I don't see a huge drop in Apoc/Arma/Ragna prices, but I think with every janky and unloved sleep/immob/confuse (yes, I know, 5% ranged def is good...) getting converted into a damage set there will be some effects.|
Originally Posted by SilverAgeFan
Was just thinking about these again this morning. Does this mean we can take a 20 mil. inf. purple recipe, say something from the Fortunata Hypnosis set, and keep spinning the wheel at the cost of 1 token a spin with a decent chance of getting something like a piece of the Hectacomb set which ballparks around 500-600m a recipe at times? If so, hot damn.
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| Because of this, we're not going to initially sell these on the Paragon Market as we had first planned. These will be available exclusively in-game to VIPs by the above means for the time being. |
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And I suspect we're all coming up with a conclusion which is the opposite of that poster's worries. To me, this looks like a magic potion that turns crap into gold. It doesn't really matter that some people can afford more crap, or even that some people can afford more of the magic potion. In a world where it's possible to turn crap into gold, everyone is going to get more gold than they had before. And less crap. |
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Yes. I'm certain every marketeer with a functioning copy of Excel is thinking about the impact of this.
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Here's the thing, a lot more people won't have to use the market anymore, with a combination of A merits, Reward merits, and Incarnate merits, I can buy the cheapest thing there and turn it into greatness and not have to deal with the market at all.
I mean with all the options the only time you would have to use the market is if you were lazy. Lucky for me I like to work.
I know this much, I won't look on the market for another purple again, time to turn those crappy purple drops into something great, and I usually get about 2 a day, so this works perfectly.
Guess I shouldn't speak too soon, need to see what the drop rate is like for these.
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My guess is that enhancements will mostly segregate into three types: cheap, moderate, and expensive.|
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And I suspect we're all coming up with a conclusion which is the opposite of that poster's worries. To me, this looks like a magic potion that turns crap into gold. It doesn't really matter that some people can afford more crap, or even that some people can afford more of the magic potion. In a world where it's possible to turn crap into gold, everyone is going to get more gold than they had before. And less crap.
[And, because this is an internet forum for a video game, we'll get complaints from people who miss the crap and hate tripping over all this gold.] |
When the cheap stuff can be converted into expensive stuff, people will do that and that will deplete the cheap stuff and increase the supply of the expensive stuff. You'll end up with a lot less cheap stuff lingering on the markets, a higher supply of the really expensive stuff, and the moderate stuff will not move around too much: some will convert it, some will continue to sell it.
The interesting thing will be whether this causes people to run a lot more task forces. Because the intrinsic value of a merit has just potentially gone way, way up.
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I don't know, a lot of the stuff that is cheap is either cheaply purchased with Rewards Merits, worth 1 A Merit, or is something that drops often.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
My guess is that enhancements will mostly segregate into three types: cheap, moderate, and expensive.
When the cheap stuff can be converted into expensive stuff, people will do that and that will deplete the cheap stuff and increase the supply of the expensive stuff. You'll end up with a lot less cheap stuff lingering on the markets, a higher supply of the really expensive stuff, and the moderate stuff will not move around too much: some will convert it, some will continue to sell it. The interesting thing will be whether this causes people to run a lot more task forces. Because the intrinsic value of a merit has just potentially gone way, way up. |
I would imagine there would be more True Hero and Villain Alignments. 1 A merits gets you 10 Converters.
More than anything there might be a drop in prices. Though, I could be wrong, I was certain with the way A merits worked the market prices would have dropped, however, LotG's are still about 100 mil.
I will say this much though, I take advantage of it all, and for a while now, I haven't had to buy anything but purples from the market, now all those bad purple drops I get can turn into something good.
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It's already done... I like to refer to him as the "Crazy 9's" as he has a standing order on just about every PvP and purple IO out there with all bids ending in 999. I am estimating he has purchased 100's already. Look on almost any purple sleep, stun, pet set and you will see the same exact bid of xx,xxx,999 in history.
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Yes. I'm certain every marketeer with a functioning copy of Excel is thinking about the impact of this.
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I'm only an extremely casual marketeer these days, but the converters have me looking at market numbers and economic calculations very closely.|
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It's already done... I like to refer to him as the "Crazy 9's" as he has a standing order on just about every PvP and purple IO out there with all bids ending in 999. I am estimating he has purchased 100's already. Look on almost any purple sleep, stun, pet set and you will see the same exact bid of xx,xxx,999 in history.
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I have to be honest when I say that getting me to think about marketeering closely is not something that should normally be considered a good sign. Converters are going to do a lot of good things I think, but still, I'm looking at my computations, and I keep thinking I've forgotten to carry a two or something. Its a little too good to be true if you know what you're doing. And I have indeed noticed a shift in activity exactly in line with what I think smart marketeers should be doing right now.
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It would be unfair, if the IO convert in itself, waste of token.
And if it won t convert in itself, then it would mean 50% chance to have a +stealth from a celerity IO... so a +stealth for 60 reward merit (40 perhaps, as there is only one RUN set at lvl50 no?).
It's funny that with VR set, it will cost 20 reward merit to convert a worthless IO into a 400milion one, and 30 reward merit to keep it a worthless IO ^^
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