Might as well not have a pet at lvl 50.
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-11-30 14:56 in Dominators
Pick up Taunt?
If you don't need the pet, what's the problem?
It'll be there for you when you exemplar.
Get an appropriate and thematic Lore pet instead, they are a little tougher. You can call it an upgrade.
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The game's not built around IOs. To those that use SOs, which this game is built around, pets are pretty useful. Heck, even on my IO'd blaster, whenever I'm on a team or iTrial I keep my Gun Drone out and he seems to do just fine surviving.
Seems ridiculous. Our powers should grow with us. Pets are such a HUGE thematic part of control sets yet ours are rendered pathetic because they dont really benefit from IOs at all aside from the stats. The game isnt balanced around them but we should never be PUNISHED for them. Plus no unlockable pets should ever be more powerful than the pet a freaking PET CLASS gets should they? That just seems stupid.
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my Mind/energy's pets are never useless...don't believe me "look into my eyes repeat after me, pets are useful at level 50, they are better than Cats, I will use them again and again and again"
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I have not bothered to check on my controllers, but do the pets get the level shift bonus like Lore pets in trials? If not I can see the problem.
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I see pets as the easiest power to skip on a dom. Without a buff/debuff set pets just don't last long enough for me to use them.
*except carrion creepers, if you want to call that a pet.
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Yes, level shifts apply to all pets.
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Originally Posted by Grae Knight
I have not bothered to check on my controllers, but do the pets get the level shift bonus like Lore pets in trials? If not I can see the problem.
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What you have here is the same problem as every other AT in the post IO world. It was simply made worse by Incarnate powers, not introduced by it. Every AT has powers in some or all of it's sets that IOs render less useful. Blasters and Corruptors are perhaps the big exception to that, since I can't think of any right away. Kheldians don't have much incentive to be tri-form with IOs, melee ATs don't ordinarily have much use for a T9 power, Defenders* get hit fairly hard as some sets (like Force Field) have no real purpose when everyone is soft capped anyway and the Destiny powers are being fired off all the time which marginalizes the other benefits some sets can provide.|
Originally Posted by Psynder13
Seems ridiculous. Our powers should grow with us. Pets are such a HUGE thematic part of control sets yet ours are rendered pathetic because they dont really benefit from IOs at all aside from the stats. The game isnt balanced around them but we should never be PUNISHED for them. Plus no unlockable pets should ever be more powerful than the pet a freaking PET CLASS gets should they? That just seems stupid.
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There is a part of me that hates IOs because, in a way, they irrevoccably turned my favorite MMO into City of Tankmages.
*On the other hand, Empathy got a lot more useful all of a sudden. I view that as a good thing since it's nice to have heals that aren't from my inspiration tray sometimes. I guess some people might view that as a bad thing though since it supports the H34LZ0R line of thinking.
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How is it punishment? You're not suffering at all if you're pet doesn't perform up to standards and you're super surviving.
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Originally Posted by Psynder13
Seems ridiculous. Our powers should grow with us. Pets are such a HUGE thematic part of control sets yet ours are rendered pathetic because they dont really benefit from IOs at all aside from the stats. The game isnt balanced around them but we should never be PUNISHED for them. Plus no unlockable pets should ever be more powerful than the pet a freaking PET CLASS gets should they? That just seems stupid.
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Originally Posted by Psynder13
Seems ridiculous. Our powers should grow with us. Pets are such a HUGE thematic part of control sets yet ours are rendered pathetic because they dont really benefit from IOs at all aside from the stats. The game isnt balanced around them but we should never be PUNISHED for them. Plus no unlockable pets should ever be more powerful than the pet a freaking PET CLASS gets should they? That just seems stupid.
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- You socketed brawl much lately?
- You use rest regularly?
- The term control does nothing to imply a pet, neither mechanically nor thematically.
- There's a whole control set that lacks a pet entirely.
- You're not punished for having one unless you're the kind of person who thinks that having to buy more milk is a punishment for running out of milk.
- Dominators are not a pet class. We are a class that gets pets. Just like everyone but Masterminds.
You are a Dominator. You are an end game dominator who is choosing to run higher difficulty content (I do that too, its more fun than fighting even cons for me). Your pet needs you more than you need them, which is likely a good way to balance Dominator sets.
I would think the mitigation from Ice Slick and Shiver ought to be helping a lot, but it is possible Ice's lack of every spawn AoE hard lockdown is more of a concern. I know with my Fire/ Dom the Imps do OK, but I can Flashfire every spawn (I usually lose one very early in a mission, but then the other two seem to have learned the lessen based on the first one's death). Sometimes they will get all suicidal more often, but it is manageable.
Against AVs it is indeed less likely to keep them alive (as in they almost never last a whole fight). Jack is tougher than the imps, but likely not tough enough. I know my Sing on my Grav troller is usually tough enough to last even against AVs, but Jack is not as tough as that.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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It has long been one of my biggest grievances with the IO system that pet based powers don't benefit from set bonuses. The only ways that Pets benefit from IOs at all are by raw enhancement value and the 5 Aura IOs specifically designed to benefit pets and only pets.
This is annoying on a Controller/Dominator, sure. It's just ridiculous that Mastermind pets don't either.
I personally think that pets should at least inherit damage and accuracy set bonuses. Defense would be nice, but I won't be holding my breath. Recharge wouldn't do anything for them, and most pets don't need +Recovery.
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While that sounds logical on the surface, when you start to apply that line of thinking to other incarnate powers, it doesn't hold water. Should the attacks you get from Judgement be capped to be no better than similar attacks from a blaster? Should the power, area of effect, and number of affected targets from your Destiny power be limited to what a Defender could offer?|
Originally Posted by Psynder13
Plus no unlockable pets should ever be more powerful than the pet a freaking PET CLASS gets should they? That just seems stupid.
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Obviously, the answer is no. If this were done, there would be no point in going through the repetitive process of earning them.
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I said "ur" which is not a word. It's a sound dumb people make when you ask them to spell out "you are".
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It's probably a slap in the face to someone, somewhere.
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
How is it punishment? You're not suffering at all if you're pet doesn't perform up to standards and you're super surviving.
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ok silly question, how is a single Tier 9 power a huge thematic part of a set? Don't get me wrong, I love pets, I think they're pretty cool. But I wouldn't really call them the corner stone of the control sets, more of a nice bonus.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
ok silly question, how is a single Tier 9 power a huge thematic part of a set? Don't get me wrong, I love pets, I think they're pretty cool. But I wouldn't really call them the corner stone of the control sets, more of a nice bonus.
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Anyway, they re-balanced Controller 'cause it was such a pain to level one from 1 to 32 and I guess having 12 Fire Imps is too much damage (Fire Imps at that time were +0 level to you and now they are -1 level).
I think they never really sit down and think whether the pets fit Dominator or not. They just ported the set as it is from Controller. Dominator's performance is mostly judged by Domination + Control + Assault. The pet damage is just... a bonus I guess. If your pet is alive somehow, then you deal more damage. If your pet is dead, then too bad. Your damage performance lies in your Assault abilities.
The newer control sets still have pets because the set is created for both control ATs. Controllers get a lot more use out of pets for sure. As for "theme", well I don't think it has that much to do with theme. I think they just want to give Controller more ways to deal damage (through pets) that is not a blast. This is another reason why Mind control is not popular among Controllers because Mind doesn't get pets.
This is part of the reason why I like Singularity because it rarely dies even against AVs.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Crappy Controller/Dom pet?! There's only like 2 crappy ones. Jack Frost and the Gremlins because the aggro everything on the map.
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Originally Posted by DreamsRazor
my Mind/energy's pets are never useless...don't believe me "look into my eyes repeat after me, pets are useful at level 50, they are better than Cats, I will use them again and again and again"
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Gremlins I'd argue against being bad, but they do more or less mandate that you ride that tiger and keep on top of what they're doing.
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Originally Posted by Tater Todd
Crappy Controller/Dom pet?! There's only like 2 crappy ones. Jack Frost and the Gremlins because the aggro everything on the map.
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But you have the shepherd. It cant be nuked. Always loyal. Always faithful. always incongruous. Be happy.
I am so confused lmao.
Well, to best explain, gremlins do chain spawns, but they are in a powerset that I feel can handle that chaining really effectively.
I have been going crazy trying to figure out a way to make my pet useful in this post incarnate world. They are useless in trials, they die instantly in content buffed up with higher difficulties......
I thought pets were meant to act as a partner/bodyguard/buddy. Instead they die in ever single mob and just cant keep up with you once your IOd out. Has there been any talk about ways to fix this?
I mean at the very least you would think some of our IO stats should effect our pets as well. I love that I can stand in the middle of a mob and they just wiff and wiff unable to land a hit but my so called "monster pet" gets nuked in two hits and doesnt help out at all.
I miss Jack Frost being my lvling buddy.
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