Hehe.
When I play my Energy/Dark brute against x8 groups, my buddies tagging along, they ask "What sets are you using?" I chuckle...a few impervium armors for +recovery, I will admit to using a numina, miracle, and performance shifter, and a well-slotted dark regen/cloak of fear. (Tough too) But he has no massive defense, (in the single digits) no massive +recharge, nothing crazy. Just the ability the trample on into a mob and cause them to cower and totter as he heals himself from the best they can do. (Oh, and for the record: energy melee+ oppressive gloom= punching drunks)
Just you wait, Dechs, people will claim the mitigation you get out of Focus and shockwave completely negates your argument.
I keep wanting to believe it. I really do. My Dark/Dark Brute is level 44, created him shortly after CoV went live, and he's had quite a bit of downtime obviously.
I've tried OG, I've tried CoF, I've tried recharge set bonuses, recovery set bonuses, defense set bonuses. He has his moments occasionally, but otherwise he's just kind of crummy when compared to some of my other meleers.
Maybe the playstyle is just too active for me to get a handle on.
Also, holy crap what kind of stupid crazy recovery do you have that your blue bar went from nearly empty to nearly full in a matter of seconds? It didn't look like you used any inspirations.
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Now that looked fun! I have a baby (level 24 now) DM/DA brute who I am greatly enjoying so far. Really looking forward to the higher levels with her. Thanks for the vid.
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I'm betting that it was the Theft of Essence proc that triggered a few times when I hit Dark Regen, but the build also has three separate Performance Shifter procs which could technically trigger at the same time.|
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Also, holy crap what kind of stupid crazy recovery do you have that your blue bar went from nearly empty to nearly full in a matter of seconds? It didn't look like you used any inspirations.
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If you could point me to the timestamp you're talking about, I'll probably be able to say for sure.
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That video reminds me of why I play +0/x8. Gah. The pacing of those fights was painful.
And the detractors who thought the first one was all about the difference between tank mitigation and brute mitigation have a lot to learn about set bonuses.
DarkGob: I didn't notice when that happened specifically in the video but I'm guessing it had to do with a +end proc in dark regeneration firing off.
edit: Beaten by Dechs himself.
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Til then... Meh.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I'm betting that it was the Theft of Essence proc that triggered a few times when I hit Dark Regen, but the build also has three separate Performance Shifter procs which could technically trigger at the same time.
If you could point me to the timestamp you're talking about, I'll probably be able to say for sure. |
Was wondering how your endurance got to be so low before the fight even started, Dark Armor isn't that bad of an endurance hog.I'm guessing you went with Energy Mastery then. That's probably part of my issue, since I went with Soul Mastery for concept (and no, I haven't even dared to try running Darkest Night). Sigh, maybe I can grind him to 50 one of these days and get Cardiac Alpha unlocked...
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I'd consider it, if Stalkers got the damage aura. As it stands... why take a single target specialist (except electric) into a large group slug fest? It could be done - IOs don't really care what AT they make godly - but the video would probably be at least twice as long.
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Do it with a stalker.
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My own dark armor brute (my first character) is dark/dark/soul. Cardiac helps, but I was 50 long before IOs, let alone Incarnate abilities, and I've always made due. Blues are you friend, as are reasonable sized spawns. x8 is cool for showing off, but the damage aura only hits 10 so I prefer x4 and x5 sized spawns.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Upon a second viewing it turned out to be the Fury bar.
Was wondering how your endurance got to be so low before the fight even started, Dark Armor isn't that bad of an endurance hog.I'm guessing you went with Energy Mastery then. That's probably part of my issue, since I went with Soul Mastery for concept (and no, I haven't even dared to try running Darkest Night). Sigh, maybe I can grind him to 50 one of these days and get Cardiac Alpha unlocked... |
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That video reminds me of why I play +0/x8. Gah. The pacing of those fights was painful.
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I do run my daily tips on +0/x8, and Council missions on +4/x8 if I'm leveling my alt account or friends. Both occasions, though, I'm leveraging my incarnate powers and inspiration tray fully.
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I'm guessing you went with Energy Mastery then. That's probably part of my issue, since I went with Soul Mastery for concept (and no, I haven't even dared to try running Darkest Night).
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My own dark armor brute (my first character) is dark/dark/soul. Cardiac helps, but I was 50 long before IOs, let alone Incarnate abilities, and I've always made due. Blues are you friend, as are reasonable sized spawns. x8 is cool for showing off, but the damage aura only hits 10 so I prefer x4 and x5 sized spawns.
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Dark Consumption does indeed help, though these days (with my cardiac alpha and end proc in dark regen) I have it slotted as an attack.
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Theft of Essence works so well in Dark Regen that I think the devs came up with it for just that purpose lol
I see people rave about theft of essence in dark regen but... how does it fair in powers like say Siphon Life or Life Drain?
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Not nearly as effective as an end reduction common IO. the advantage of dark regen is that it is AoE so the proc can go off more than once. On my stalker my record is 4 times in one click.|
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I see people rave about theft of essence in dark regen but... how does it fair in powers like say Siphon Life or Life Drain?
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With siphon life you get a max of 10 end 10% of the time for an effective 1-point of end per attack. Put a 42% common end reduction IO into almost anything and it will save more than 1 point. The attack would need a base cost of only 3 end before the proc was more effective, or you'd have to be way into ED values.
Now, if you have the slots to spare, it's not bad because it can get you that extra 1 point which ED might not let you get. But I'd almost always rather put a damage proc.
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There, it's less impressive. It procs fairly often, but the issue here is that Dark Regeneration costs 33 Endurance and hits up to 10 targets. Saturated, it's going to fire off twice, automatically giving you back 20 end... and on lucky streaks even more.
It's not bad. It's just not as amazing as it is in DR.
Maybe my Theft of Essence proc doesn't work but...*shrugs*
I have a Dark/Dark Tanker and...I swear I have never seen me gain endurance when using the heal 
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
I have a Dark/Dark Tanker and...I swear I have never seen me gain endurance when using the heal
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You need to pull more.
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The heal part of the power works just fine...tons of mobs near me...no end
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I would suggest creating a tab to track "healing done to self," I think it's called. The procs should show up there so you can verify with yourself that it's working properly. You will see about one proc for every five heals.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
The heal part of the power works just fine...tons of mobs near me...no end
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
I would suggest creating a tab to track "healing done to self," I think it's called. The procs should show up there so you can verify with yourself that it's working properly. You will see about one proc for every five heals.
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Hmm, I might have to do that.
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About as well as the +recharge proc works in Haymaker compared to Footstomp.
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Originally Posted by Kyriani
I see people rave about theft of essence in dark regen but... how does it fair in powers like say Siphon Life or Life Drain?
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I watched for about 5 seconds. Who says Dark Armor sucks anyway?
Anything + IOs = win
This time it's on a brute.
That is all.
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