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You're giving these things a tangible monetary amount, and it doesn't work that way. You're not getting $31.86 by check every month, so (with all due respect) don't pretend that you're making money playing this game. I might as well ascribe a monetary value to all the costume packs the F2P players have to buy. Do I get a $10 check every time they add a new powerset that's free for VIP? I understand what you're saying, but I categorically disagree with you.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Nope. The company is paying me to play. The subs run as follows
1 month: $14.99* 3 months: $41.85* (equivalent to $13.95 per month) 6 months: $77.70* (equivalent to $12.95 per month) 12 months: $143.40* (equivalent to $11.95 per month) Now each month with my sub I get a server transfer that normally costs me $9.99 550 points to use in the store that normally costs me $6.87 and a Reward Token that sells for $15.00 in the new Paragon Market (and deny it all you want but Reward Tokens now have a monetary value since we get them for every $15 bucks we spend in the store.) That's $31.86 I'm not spending each month on the game. When I compare the value of my perks to my subscription I get the following. If my sub is Monthly NCSoft is paying me $16.87 a month to keep my account active. If my sub is Quarterly they pay me $17.91 a month to keep my account active. If my sub is biannual they pay me $18.91 a month to keep my account active. And if my sub is Annual they pay me $19.91 a month to keep my account active. |
And there should NOT be stupid lightweight silly stuff that costs almost as much as a monthly sub to the game. Like, say, for instance...a toy dog that does nothing that costs 2/3 of a monthly sub.
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Wow. You should get some more accounts, that way NCSoft could pay for your rent/mortgage!
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
And if my sub is Annual they pay me $19.91 a month to keep my account active.
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They just get in the way of me seeing stuff... I wish there was a solution but there isn't.... though I think most heroes that have wings also have a way of hiding them so that's kinda reasonable to have some costumes and some with if your character has wings...|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Also, eh, they did all that work for wings, and I can be off here admittedly, but they don't seem that popular of a character costume option. I'm actually quite curious as the raio between costumes on a character to wings.
I also can't be the only one annoyed by fighting with them. So that has people likely going against them. I came up with a character who's abilities turn the wings into a cape just because I couldnt stand fighting and jumping around with the wings. I state this part because that could easily mean others have 1 costume with wings, and then the other 4-5 without them. |
Personally I'll be buying the dog most likely as soon as i get my 500 points this month, but then I also bought the costume transformations ^.^
I wonder why no one has complained about the price of storage in suggestions yet... $5-10 per storage item...
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Rather than "NCSoft pays me $X to play the game" it's more like "NCSoft loses $X because I'm subscribed". In other words, it's in their best interests to convince VIP players to spend at least $X in the store every month. However, I don't think the idea of charging large amounts for items occasionally is going to get them better business than being able to charge small amounts for a large number of items.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
You're giving these things a tangible monetary amount, and it doesn't work that way. You're not getting $31.86 by check every month, so (with all due respect) don't pretend that you're making money playing this game. I might as well ascribe a monetary value to all the costume packs the F2P players have to buy. Do I get a $10 check every time they add a new powerset that's free for VIP? I understand what you're saying, but I categorically disagree with you.
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You are free to believe and disagree with whatever you like. Oh and just for clarification I didn't give tangible monetary amounts to the items I listed NCSoft did when they started selling them.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
You're giving these things a tangible monetary amount, and it doesn't work that way. You're not getting $31.86 by check every month, so (with all due respect) don't pretend that you're making money playing this game. I might as well ascribe a monetary value to all the costume packs the F2P players have to buy. Do I get a $10 check every time they add a new powerset that's free for VIP? I understand what you're saying, but I categorically disagree with you.
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They did. But as with everything else they found something else to complain about. This is just the next FOTM item added to the store to complain about.|
Originally Posted by Durakken
I wonder why no one has complained about the price of storage in suggestions yet... $5-10 per storage item...
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Complaining about store prices is going to be the new thing to kvetch about each month. So just sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Lol this is the most nonsensical, logic-less post I have ever read.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Nope. The company is paying me to play. The subs run as follows
1 month: $14.99* 3 months: $41.85* (equivalent to $13.95 per month) 6 months: $77.70* (equivalent to $12.95 per month) 12 months: $143.40* (equivalent to $11.95 per month) Now each month with my sub I get a server transfer that normally costs me $9.99 550 points to use in the store that normally costs me $6.87 and a Reward Token that sells for $15.00 in the new Paragon Market (and deny it all you want but Reward Tokens now have a monetary value since we get them for every $15 bucks we spend in the store.) That's $31.86 I'm not spending each month on the game. When I compare the value of my perks to my subscription I get the following. If my sub is Monthly NCSoft is paying me $16.87 a month to keep my account active. If my sub is Quarterly they pay me $17.91 a month to keep my account active. If my sub is biannual they pay me $18.91 a month to keep my account active. And if my sub is Annual they pay me $19.91 a month to keep my account active. |
Kudos.
Well, when $16 bucks pops back up on my account after I pay my monthly subscription, maybe then posters won't be laughing in your face.
Frankly, for the past 2 months, I probably clock in around 2-4 hours of playtime a week but I use the forums far more. Reward tokens? Server Transfers? They mean exactly *zero* to me (I'd prefer name change tokens, honestly)...And since you cannot trade unneeded services for a desired service (reward tokens for a month's subscription, server transfers for name changes, etc.) you cannot equate *freebies* to money.
Like...in todays paper, there's a coupon for 2 free ice-cream sandwiches from a certain store in town. It's advertised as "It's like getting the newspaper for free!" Well, yeah...if I were going to that specific store and wanted ice-cream sandwiches. For me, it's like getting the newspaper which comes with 2 ice-cream sandwiches for my nephew...for the price of wasting my damn gas driving to that store >_>.
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Originally Posted by Jagged
Wow. You should get some more accounts, that way NCSoft could pay for your rent/mortgage!
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The problem with your argument is that I am going to the Paragon Market, and I am using the store credit I am getting for being subscribed, so I am spending less on the game now than before Freedom launched when I had to pay for server transfers, respecs, and the occasional boosters for my multiple accounts.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Lol this is the most nonsensical, logic-less post I have ever read.
Kudos. Well, when $16 bucks pops back up on my account after I pay my monthly subscription, maybe then posters won't be laughing in your face. Frankly, for the past 2 months, I probably clock in around 2-4 hours of playtime a week but I use the forums far more. Reward tokens? Server Transfers? They mean exactly *zero* to me (I'd prefer name change tokens, honestly)...And since you cannot trade unneeded services for a desired service (reward tokens for a month's subscription, server transfers for name changes, etc.) you cannot equate *freebies* to money. Like...in todays paper, there's a coupon for 2 free ice-cream sandwiches from a certain store in town. It's advertised as "It's like getting the newspaper for free!" Well, yeah...if I were going to that specific store and wanted ice-cream sandwiches. For me, it's like getting the newspaper which comes with 2 ice-cream sandwiches for my nephew...for the price of wasting my damn gas driving to that store >_>. |
And the extra cash I'm saving from not spending it on CoH is being spent on a new MMO that's getting released on Christmas, and will cover my subscription there.
I think what he's trying to say is that when you subscribe(14.99$) your getting something back which is would be more than what your paying for ($30 ish or something? In rewards) where as before freedom launched you weren't getting any sorta reward for subscribing per months
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I get the point of "if you don't like the price then don't buy it.", but my point was bigger then that. My point was that rather then basing price on how much time it took to make it should be more based on how much you get. I see it like this a costume set costs 400 points and you get 40pieces or more the dog is 500point and I get 1 item.
I want the dog, just not for 500 points. So comments about not liking certain costume sets but buying the dog cause they do like it have no baring in my mind simply cause this isn't a "I didn't buy the item cause I didn't like it" it has to do with price point.
Yes I do get a stipend of points but I am not going to spend 500 of my 520 points on something that has one item.
as to the arguments (if you don't like the price then don't buy it" I don't and I won't :P
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I can certainly understand why some players will consider paying 500 points for a dog like this to be "too expensive". But I'll never understand why people can't see obvious method behind the prices Paragon Studios sets for these items.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
If nobody buys it at 500 points (and they really shouldn't, IMO), then maybe they'll lower it.
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Clearly the prices are set on the simple principle of what the market will bear. To some people paying 500 points for this dog is not only worth it but totally acceptable. As long as there are plenty of people out there willing to pay that much Paragon Studios would frankly be foolish to charge anything less.
Eventually the number of sales at the original prices will fall far enough that the Devs will willingly lower the prices on their own. All the people who'd pay 500 points to have their dogs will be gone and the prices will have to drop to keep sales going. This will let all the other people unwilling to pay what they considered to be "too much" to finally jump in.
People need to stop thinking the Devs have "made a mistake" setting their prices at a point that they consider to be too high. They are a company out to make a profit - they are always going to charge what the market will bear regardless of our individual opinions on the matter for as long as possible.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
You are free to believe and disagree with whatever you like. Oh and just for clarification I didn't give tangible monetary amounts to the items I listed NCSoft did when they started selling them.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The company is paying me to play.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The problem with your argument is that I am going to the Paragon Market, and I am using the store credit I am getting for being subscribed, so I am spending less on the game now than before Freedom launched when I had to pay for server transfers, respecs, and the occasional boosters for my multiple accounts.
And the extra cash I'm saving from not spending it on CoH is being spent on a new MMO that's getting released on Christmas, and will cover my subscription there. |
Loyal Rewards programs are everywhere, from grocery stores to gas stations. They get you to purchase more or keep buying by offering points that you can redeem for rewards. And most likely, these rewards are not cash prizes. It isn't in this case either.
And just because you're getting server transfer tokens doesn't mean you're getting back money either. Or do you not remember the limited periods where the devs offered infinite server transfers for free? OMG, better cash in on that and we could all become millionaires! Or bank on it giving us unlimited months of subscriptions somehow!!
No, no one's paying you to play the game. A service has just changed distribution methods and now you spend less on that particular service. Even if that saved revenue isn't countered by your increased spending on other new things in the market and you keep more money in your pocket, the same result occurs when you just budget your money better.
Basically, you were just spending a ridiculous amount before...too much, in fact. Anything you're saving now most likely just counters that overspending.
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I'm getting paid in store credit, and services, which is as good as the real money I spend on this game since I would have been spending it here anyway. Not having to spend it on items I would have bought anyway means I can spend that money on other things like the other game I mentioned.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Dude, you're being absolutely ridiculous. But I'm prepared to apologize and take back everything I've said.
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Hell Given for the amount of stuff they have put up on the store in the short time since freedom dropped (2 power sets, 3 costume sets and other various pieces) I think I have been actually spending more, before it was $10 for a new booter every 3-6 months but seeing as if I am 100 points short if i want that new shiney right away i have to shell out $5.00 cause you can't buy just 100 points now I spend more I think... which i can't keep up so from now on it will be wait till I have the points. |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
How much do you know about Marketing or Sales?
Loyal Rewards programs are everywhere, from grocery stores to gas stations. They get you to purchase more or keep buying by offering points that you can redeem for rewards. And most likely, these rewards are not cash prizes. It isn't in this case either. And just because you're getting server transfer tokens doesn't mean you're getting back money either. Or do you not remember the limited periods where the devs offered infinite server transfers for free? OMG, better cash in on that and we could all become millionaires! Or bank on it giving us unlimited months of subscriptions somehow!! No, no one's paying you to play the game. A service has just changed distribution methods and now you spend less on that particular service. Even if that saved revenue isn't countered by your increased spending on other new things in the market and you keep more money in your pocket, the same result occurs when you just budget your money better. Basically, you were just spending a ridiculous amount before...too much, in fact. Anything you're saving now most likely just counters that overspending. |
but points stipend or not I still don't feel I can justify 500points for a single non combat pet.
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Hardly overspending anything since I'm on a fixed income and I only spend what I manage to save each month after I pay my bills. I don't even have a real credit card, just my ATM which doesn't let me spend more than what's in my account. So you're argument that I spend ridiculous amounts of money and overspend is merely a figment of your imagination.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
How much do you know about Marketing or Sales?
Loyal Rewards programs are everywhere, from grocery stores to gas stations. They get you to purchase more or keep buying by offering points that you can redeem for rewards. And most likely, these rewards are not cash prizes. It isn't in this case either. And just because you're getting server transfer tokens doesn't mean you're getting back money either. Or do you not remember the limited periods where the devs offered infinite server transfers for free? OMG, better cash in on that and we could all become millionaires! Or bank on it giving us unlimited months of subscriptions somehow!! No, no one's paying you to play the game. A service has just changed distribution methods and now you spend less on that particular service. Even if that saved revenue isn't countered by your increased spending on other new things in the market and you keep more money in your pocket, the same result occurs when you just budget your money better. Basically, you were just spending a ridiculous amount before...too much, in fact. Anything you're saving now most likely just counters that overspending. |
I've learned how to live on a tight budget and get the most value possible for what little money I actually get.
Already had more than enough of the dog. . . Waiting in RWZ for a trial, there were six of the damn things, and they all looked exactly the same. . . .
They need some variety PLEASE! I don't have one and I really don't want one as it is non-combat. On that, thankfully they did not follow us into the mission! But if I have to see them everywhere then please, at least make them fairly entertaining eye candy.
It's a cool idea, and I can see how some folks might want one, but please throw some variation into the dog pool, even if it is just alternate colors. Other skins for different breeds would be even better!
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When they go out shopping for things they're supposedly getting for free? They're either spending a limited resource on it or they're getting it free - you can't have it both ways.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Sounds like something people do every single day when they go out shopping.
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Really? Then how is it that here on Earth I am a customer of a business that not only gives me rewards and cash back on money I spend making purchases at other businesses, but they also give me money on anything I haven't spent at the end of each month.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
When they go out shopping for things they're supposedly getting for free? They're either spending a limited resource on it or they're getting it free - you can't have it both ways.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I'm getting paid in store credit, and services, which is as good as the real money I spend on this game since I would have been spending it here anyway. Not having to spend it on items I would have bought anyway means I can spend that money on other things like the other game I mentioned.
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Getting value is not the same as getting paid. And as someone so thrifty as yourself, I'd think you'd be less critical of those questioning the true value of the pricing.
In regards to the OP, I do think the pricing system in the game seems completely arbitrary. One non-combat pet costing 500 pts vs the value (see, that value thing again) of powersets, which give you up to 9 combat useful powers, for 800 ppts seems completely disproportional.
If you're going to spend the time and resources to make a new rig for the game, and you want to profit from the investment, it's best that your first item for purchase offer more reward for buying it. Yes, there's a market for people to buy overpriced non-combat pets, but there's a larger market for higher priced useful items, such as a MM pet powerset to help make back your money faster.
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You are correct and those people are called other MMO customers, where they pay $10, $15, and $25 dollars for non combat pets. Once again CoH prices are below the industry average. You do realize that they are basing their prices on what they see people are willing to pay for similar items in the other MMO stores.
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Originally Posted by Rylas
Yes, there's a market for people to buy overpriced non-combat pets, but there's a larger market for higher priced useful items, such as a MM pet powerset to help make back your money faster.
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The way i look at it if you can not wait for the price to drop and have to have it now then pay for it. Other wise wait till the price goes down which it will and get it then. Just like any thing else in this real world when some thing new comes out it costs a bit. I for one got it just due to the fact i have the points, which are given to me each month just for having a membership to play this game. I see it as an investment on future things based on this, and yes its a bit high. This is the only game i play and yes you could call me a fan boy but i have played all the others, this is by far the best as far as giving the people who play what they want. I have found with any thing there is going to be those who all ways want there cake and eat it and well this game almost does that in some ways. I bet even if they gave the pet away for free you people would still gripe about that its not this or that. Any way sorry for the rant I just love this game and have to say this company is doing a hell of a job.
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I'm sure you intended that to have something to do with an item being simultaneously free and paid for...
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Really? Then how is it that here on Earth I am a customer of a business that not only gives me rewards and cash back on money I spend making purchases at other businesses, but they also give me money on anything I haven't spent at the end of each month.
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Anyone have the tag for the Mini VG HVAS passive pet? I'm pretty sure that wasn't much over 100 or so. But 500 is just too much just on principal.
Also, it's a one time purchase. So they're only going to make so much off of it and they know it. If this was per character, I'd understand saying OMG WTF, but this is per account.
to put it another way. They go to all this work to make something, that maybe a lot of people won't buy just because it's exactly that, a cosmetic option.
Look at people now who won't but costume pieces because they want it free, and won't pay money for pieces they admit they wish they had because it's purely cosmetic.
Also, eh, they did all that work for wings, and I can be off here admittedly, but they don't seem that popular of a character costume option. I'm actually quite curious as the raio between costumes on a character to wings.
I also can't be the only one annoyed by fighting with them. So that has people likely going against them. I came up with a character who's abilities turn the wings into a cape just because I couldnt stand fighting and jumping around with the wings. I state this part because that could easily mean others have 1 costume with wings, and then the other 4-5 without them.
Is the german shepherd really worth 500pts? Not likely to most people. Do they need to cover costs as much as possible, yes they do!
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