A Question for Military Experts
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Posted on: 2011-11-08 23:31 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
I'm not in game at the moment, so I can't have a look to refresh my memory. However, I think they may have been inspired by and modeled after the Boeing CH47 Chinook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_CH-47_Chinook
Like Willowpaw, I'm not able to compare to actual in-game art right now, but if memory serves on the artwork, I think that they are pretty generic versions of real life equipment.
The quad-barrel anti-aircraft guns resemble the Soviet ZPU's. The Vanguard tanks rolling around the RWZ with the rounded turrets look like futuristic Chinese Type 62 tanks from the Cold War era. I can't remember if the helicopters have 2 main rotors, but if they do then the CH-46 is about the only real-life example as Willowpaw pointed out. The shadows I occasionally see on the ground now that Galaxy City has been smashed look like they might have been cast by a passing AH-64 Apache, but I haven't seen any passing by I when I look up...
Hope this helps! Let me know if I can be of further assistance.
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Some look like Apaches, stylized. And while we're at it, the fighter jets in some of the warehouses (?!?) - this might just be Praetoria, but I do remember seeing them - look like the F-35.
I'd say it's "realistic base, artistic license applied."
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Does anyone know if the helicopters, tanks and mobile anti-aircraft guns used by Longbow and the Vanguard are copies of real ones, based on real ones, or just made up?
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The tanks themselves are a bit smallish and generic. The fronts are so abbreviated (and or the driver hatches pushed so far forward) you'd have to be a midget to actually drive them and there'd be no armor up front. A friend of mine is 6'10" and he had to SQUEEZE into an M1. On an M1 the driver hatch is actually up underneath the turret and along the center line of the tank.
So, while they may be "inspired by" real life tanks, helicopters and mobile AA, they're all built on "artistic license".
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Haven't done a Lambda weapons phase recently, but I thought those were the dear departed F-22 Raptor?
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Originally Posted by Model 75
Some look like Apaches, stylized. And while we're at it, the fighter jets in some of the warehouses (?!?) - this might just be Praetoria, but I do remember seeing them - look like the F-35.
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I think Star_Engine got the jist best: "pretty generic versions of real life equipment".
Even the cruiser in Independence Port is a mockup of the Aegis destroyer, simplified. It's much easier to use a RL model to make a believable game version.
The real problems come when you don't have a working RL version to go from... like when you look at the great jetpacks available (esp the steampunk one), but then ask, "Where is the fuel kept?" and your head explodes a little.
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There's an anti-aircraft missile vehicle one sees in the RWZ and other places that looks like an M133 APC chassis with 2 pairs of 4 missile boxes mounted on top. There's a lot of real-life equipment that looks close to that, but I haven't been able to find a match while Googling around this morning.
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The real problems come when you don't have a working RL version to go from... like when you look at the great jetpacks available (esp the steampunk one), but then ask, "Where is the fuel kept?" and your head explodes a little. |
Nah, you just tell yourself it uses that, you know, really futuristic super small fuel cell thing they have in all the alien technology these days. You know the one.
As for Helicopter shadows; I did see a Helicopter flying around in Atlas Park while I was... um... pretending to attack the Blimp for the amusement of my six year old brother. I tried to fly up to the Helicopter, but its' above the 'invisible' height ceiling of the zone. The helicopter itself was really small, which may account for why it's difficult to see from the ground when you notice a shadow.
Well, if we think the tanks seen tooling around require midget drivers, we shouldn't be too surprised. Have you seen the cars recently? 
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"Dear departed?" I wouldn't go that far, though production ended due to costs and the F-35 JSF (also due to costs....) It just entered service in 2005, total of about 187 if I remember right. The ones in game are too small, and as I remember, single engined - plus the intakes are quite wrong to be an F-22. (Being nit-picky, they're probably "too small" to be an F-35, but they're shaped more correctly for that.)|
Originally Posted by EvilGeko
Haven't done a Lambda weapons phase recently, but I thought those were the dear departed F-22 Raptor?
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F-35 (not yet in full service, in pre/early production and testing last I recall, and costs are rising.)
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As remote operated drones get better, I can see all manned fighters going the way of the dodo.
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"Dear departed?" I wouldn't go that far, though production ended due to costs and the F-35 JSF (also due to costs....) It just entered service in 2005, total of about 187 if I remember right. The ones in game are too small, and as I remember, single engined - plus the intakes are quite wrong to be an F-22. (Being nit-picky, they're probably "too small" to be an F-35, but they're shaped more correctly for that.)
F-35 (not yet in full service, in pre/early production and testing last I recall, and costs are rising.) |
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As remote operated drones get better, I can see all manned fighters going the way of the dodo.
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Though I do expect the future to be a mix - drones for point defense/intelligence/recon as well as being used in conjunction with manned fighters (and other aircraft.)
The helicoper used by both Longbow and Vanguard seems to be modeled after the Russian Mil Mi-26 transport helicoper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_Mi-26
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The tanks used by Vanguard appears to based on the old Cold War era Soviet T-54/T-55 tanks, but with the engine deck layout, the track skirts, and the presence of return rollers being more like that of the non-export T-64 tank. Here's the T-55A:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-54/55
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Oh, as others have already pointed out previously in this thread, the attack helicopers sometimes seen flying above Atlas Park and in some missions does indeed look very much like the AH-64 Apache helicopter, but with the tail rotor system being similar to that of the Gazelle helicoper, and the air intake/exhaust covers looking more like that of the AH-1 SuperCobra:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-64_Apache
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9rospatiale_Gazelle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-1_SuperCobra
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Originally Posted by galadiman
The real problems come when you don't have a working RL version to go from... like when you look at the great jetpacks available (esp the steampunk one), but then ask, "Where is the fuel kept?" and your head explodes a little.
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I refer you to the MST3K Mantra
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra
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I refer you to the MST3K Mantra
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MST3KMantra |
Along a similar line of thinking
This is the only tank that matters
I apologize for not being able to actually contribute to the OP though.
Wasn't going to comment on the figher jets first seen inside the Warehouse in the Lambda Trial since they're, well, Praetorian, but then I remembered that they're now seen in the new Tutorial too, so should probably be considered as part of the Longbow/Vanguard/Primal Earth inventory.
As Model 75 wrote earlier in this thread the fighter jets do look a lot like the F-35 Lightning II, but with forward-swept wings seemingly inspired by the Sukhoi Su-47 technology demonstrator:
I nearly compared the wings to those of the Grumman X-29, but the wings on the Su-47 bear an even stronger resemblance to the in-game fighter jets.
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As a general guide, the older ones are a mish-mash of what some artist thought might look good. The more recent additions (Admiral Sutter's ship, the helicopters flying over Atlas Park) look much more realistic and accurate.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Does anyone know if the helicopters, tanks and mobile anti-aircraft guns used by Longbow and the Vanguard are copies of real ones, based on real ones, or just made up?
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No, This is the only tank that matters.
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Along a similar line of thinking
This is the only tank that matters I apologize for not being able to actually contribute to the OP though. |
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Does anyone know if the helicopters, tanks and mobile anti-aircraft guns used by Longbow and the Vanguard are copies of real ones, based on real ones, or just made up?
This is an art-related question
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