In Living Color returns to Fox in 2012


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Are you comparing the Stooges to ILC?

Monty Python dips into the juvenile and crass humour as well. Doing that well is no simple task. ILC almost invariably did it poorly. Mike Myers tends to do it poorly. Robin Williams and Bob Saget regularly fail at it in their stand-up. Meanwhile, Monty Python, Benny Hill, occasionally Mel Brooks, and even Dave Chappelle often use such devices well. Is it delivery? Timing? Wit? Subtlety? Beats me.
In my opinion ILC did it extremely well and is one of the best sketch type shows of all time. You mentioned Dave Chappelle and one of his influences was ILC. He even borrowed some ideas from them. Remember the drug addict Tyrone from the Chappelle show:



In living color did it first with Anton the drunk:



A lot of people like that type of humor. It was a hit show for a reason. To each their own I guess.


 

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When Dave Chappelle did it, it was funny. When Miscellaneous Wayan did it, it was annoying. Sometimes two different people can tell the same joke and only one of them will be funny. That's kind of the point I was making with my previous post.


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When Dave Chappelle did it, it was funny. When Miscellaneous Wayan did it, it was annoying. Sometimes two different people can tell the same joke and only one of them will be funny. That's kind of the point I was making with my previous post.
Guess you didn't see the point I was trying to make when I completely understood yours. I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it and from my point of view it's down right false (<--my point in case you didn't catch that). I understand you don't like the show, but to a lot of people those sketches were great. Good enough that they feel bringing back the show again is worth a shot.

BTW his name is Damon Wayne. Hes a hilarious standup artist and had a rather successful sitcom. His movie career was crap (except maybe the last boyscout), but hes a funny dude.


 

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Guess you didn't see the point I was trying to make when I completely understood yours. I respect your opinion, I just don't agree with it and from my point of view it's down right false (<--my point in case you didn't catch that). I understand you don't like the show, but to a lot of people those sketches were great. Good enough that they feel bringing back the show again is worth a shot.
I was assuming your point was trying to be relevant to the point in the post you quoted. My mistake.

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BTW his name is Damon Wayne. Hes a hilarious standup artist and had a rather successful sitcom. His movie career was crap (except maybe the last boyscout), but hes a funny dude.
I've seen his sitcom. I've probably seen his stand-up. And I'm passingly familiar with his movie career. However, I'm terrible with names and I can't keep the Wayans brothers' names/faces straight in my head. There's, what, four or five of them acting? If a couple of them had the decency to be called "Estevez" or something it might be easier to keep track of them individually. In the meantime, I'll refer to them as Miscellaneous or Keemardwamon.


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Farewell is like the end
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I suppose you never enjoyed The Three Stooges either. Satanist.

I am, of course, kidding. It just seems you're judging these things from a distance and I've never been a fan of such things. Did you watch The Number 23? Or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Or Bruce Almighty? Or Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events? Or The Majestic?

If anything, I beg to you to watch Man on the Moon. His portrayal of Andy Kaufman *IS* brilliant.
I Love You Phillip Morris was pretty good too, even though one scene caught me really off guard lol.


 

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I like more mature humor, But sometimes I'd just like to watch something with no point other than to just be funny like Beavis & Butthead, Monty Python, Red Dwarf, or the old ILC. Hopefully it has the right level of stupid. Sometimes things can be so stupid it's funny. Other times it's just plain dumb.


 

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I suppose you never enjoyed The Three Stooges either. Satanist.
Athiest, actually.

Three stooges... eh. They're more of a "small dose" thing for me. If I'm looking back that far, I'll go with Laurel and Hardy (for a bit,) Abbott and Costello, or the Marx brothers. Absolutely love the Marx brothers. Little more recent, Danny Kaye. Court Jester is fun - and the Five Pennies, for a serious one, is wonderful.

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I am, of course, kidding. It just seems you're judging these things from a distance and I've never been a fan of such things.
Honestly, I gave them a chance. ILC was, after all, new and "hot" while I was - hmm, think that was high school for me. It started a *strong* dislike of Jim Carrey for me. (And, honestly, little unneeded shots like... ever see the skit where they're redoing Michael Jackson's "Black or white," only to end with the character being arrested with the quip "Well, I guess I'm black!" - stuff like that destroyed otherwise decent skits and got me to despise the show, on top of the juvenile quality of the 'humor.')

I've tried putting up with his 'humor' from time to time since. Haven't been able to stand it.

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Did you watch The Number 23? Or Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind? Or Bruce Almighty? Or Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events? Or The Majestic?
Knew I missed one or two. I've got Bruce Almighty, actually, and *believe* I've seen The Majestic.
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If anything, I beg to you to watch Man on the Moon. His portrayal of Andy Kaufman *IS* brilliant.
See, that's the thing. He *can* be a brilliant actor, I agree. When he chooses to let that come through. But his "humor" has so poisoned me against him that it takes a *hell* of a lot to overcome his name in the credits for me to see it.

Now, if my early exposure to him *had* been the Truman show - or even The Mask - I'd probably be inclined much more favourably to him and willing to overlook the other things. And yeah, you can call me a bit of a comedy snob, I'll cop to that . I'd just like to see his comic side grow up (and stay grown up) a bit more.

I think he will, honestly. That he'll end up (to me) sitting at about the same point as Tom Hanks or Robin Williams (who was also rather a flake when he started, and still can be) when all's said and done. I just really, *really* can't stand his "comedy" style.

(Sliding in an edit here: I'm surprised to be agreeing with Tenzhi but I agree - two different people can do the same joke, one being funny, one... not. And for me, the way ILC did it wasn't. I thought it was poorly done throughout their run. But we're also getting into personal preferences, too - some people like Kenneth Brannagh, some people like Kenny from South Park... which, yes, is another 'popular' show I don't care for.)

And then we get to ILC... which, thinking of the original, is taking all the stuff I don't like about Jim Carrey and cloning it, then throwing all the clones together in a room to fart at each other and eat paste and think it's funny. You kind of have to ask yourself if you're laughing because something's *actually* funny, or if it's more pointing and laughing and going "OMG, he is SUCH an idiot, who let him out?" For me, it's the second, and I don't laugh because I actually feel *bad* for him making such a fool out of himself.

My two main misgivings for ILC? (A) It's ILC 2.0, and (B) it's on Fox. *shrug*


 

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should give Jim more of a chance, he hasn't really done anything on the level of Ace Ventura since...well, Ace Ventura >.>


 

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I wonder if ILC wasn't one of those shows where, if you weren't watching it from the start (or drunk, or with a roomful of buddies every week), you could never get into it...

The show's popularity took off shortly after I graduated college. It was kind of surreal to go back to visit my college buddies on weekends to hear them talking about the show and quipping one-liners at every opportunity. When I finally actually saw the show, my reaction was "Wow, this is crap" - which didn't sit too well with my old crowd...


 

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I wonder if ILC wasn't one of those shows where, if you weren't watching it from the start (or drunk, or with a roomful of buddies every week), you could never get into it...

The show's popularity took off shortly after I graduated college. It was kind of surreal to go back to visit my college buddies on weekends to hear them talking about the show and quipping one-liners at every opportunity. When I finally actually saw the show, my reaction was "Wow, this is crap" - which didn't sit too well with my old crowd...
Thats the thing about being "college age", its sometimes hard to grasp how a friend you have things in common with may not like ALL of the same things, humor etc.
Im an old guy at this point and its a lot easier for me to see now and respect that different ppl love different things. I dont think some ever get it though.

When I was growing up, ILC was more of a cultural concept. I was an "urban" kid into hip hop, dance parties, Kid n Play synchronized dance steps and all of that craziness. So the show spoke to me on a certain level since there wasnt much of anything else on TV along the sketch comedy avenue with a minority oriented cast, characters, themes etc. The DJ and Fly Girls were just an added bonus since those were the kinds of things I saw when going to clubs in NJ/NYC...a DJ and his/her group of dancers getting a party hyped up before it started. ILC didnt depend on this, again it was a cultural plug.

When ILC did a skit called 'HEY MON!' for instance about a West Indies/Carribean family where everyone had 13 jobs...I thought it was hilarious. My stepmother and her people were from that part of the world and while yes it was a stereotype...all her brothers and sisters did have like 2-4 jobs to help put everyone through college when they first came to the US. I could go on with more of the skits, but I think you get the point...different strokes for different folks.

The show didnt have an exclusive targeted audience, but on TV, there was a niche this show filled by featuring material oriented more towards blacks, hispanics etc on an urban level. SNL was still good, but its easy for me to see why people enjoyed ILC as well.

If you thought it sucked, I can respect that, but you cant take away the reasons behind why people enjoyed the show or simply write it off as trivial sophmoric/fart joke type comedy.


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If you thought it sucked, I can respect that, but you cant take away the reasons behind why people enjoyed the show or simply write it off as trivial sophmoric/fart joke type comedy.
I don't think I'm "writing it off." I just personally never liked it, and at that time I didn't get why my buds did. But, looking back, I have no doubt that if I'd still been in school and hanging with 'em when it aired, I probably would have found it funny, and I'd probably be nostalgic about it now.

Just pointing out that it's not necessarily just the content of the shows that people remember fondly, but also the context in which they watch it. If you don't mind my saying so, your story kind of supports that. The show spoke to you on a cultural/background level, but not to me; and now I think the show was a social focus for my college buddies (who had similar backgrounds as me) after I'd moved on to other things.

To flip things around, I loved (and still enjoy) "Green Acres" and "The Beverly Hillbillies," and all but one of my old college gang thought they were the dumbest things on TV. Which, of course, made me love the shows even more... Still, I think a revival of either would just be BAD with a capital "B." And capitals "A" and "D" because, hey, why not?


 

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I don't think I'm "writing it off." I just personally never liked it, and at that time I didn't get why my buds did. But, looking back, I have no doubt that if I'd still been in school and hanging with 'em when it aired, I probably would have found it funny, and I'd probably be nostalgic about it now.

Just pointing out that it's not necessarily just the content of the shows that people remember fondly, but also the context in which they watch it. If you don't mind my saying so, your story kind of supports that. The show spoke to you on a cultural/background level, but not to me; and now I think the show was a social focus for my college buddies (who had similar backgrounds as me) after I'd moved on to other things.

To flip things around, I loved (and still enjoy) "Green Acres" and "The Beverly Hillbillies," and all but one of my old college gang thought they were the dumbest things on TV. Which, of course, made me love the shows even more... Still, I think a revival of either would just be BAD with a capital "B." And capitals "A" and "D" because, hey, why not?
I hear ya man; I really only meant for the 1st paragraph to be a response to your post (sorry).

And yeah I agree, bringing back any of these shows is meh. The "creative minds" behind bringing all these shows, movies and songs back from 20 years ago arent very creative at all.


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And then we get to ILC... which, thinking of the original, is taking all the stuff I don't like about Jim Carrey and cloning it, then throwing all the clones together in a room to fart at each other and eat paste and think it's funny. You kind of have to ask yourself if you're laughing because something's *actually* funny, or if it's more pointing and laughing and going "OMG, he is SUCH an idiot, who let him out?" For me, it's the second, and I don't laugh because I actually feel *bad* for him making such a fool out of himself.
That's the thing though... I never really ask myself why I laugh. If it's funny... I just laugh. It doesn't matter why. That's why it's called entertainment. Obviously there are things that attempt to be humorous and are beyond me... or they are something I don't find funny. But I've honestly never laughed at something, took a step back and told myself to hate that kind of humor because I think it's stupid or below me in some way. I guess I'm weird like that.


 

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meh....In Living Color had its time....I will give it a chance, however it will not be the same as the original. Just my thoughts and I have been wrong on more than one occasion....lol


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meh....In Living Color had its time....I will give it a chance, however it will not be the same as the original. Just my thoughts and I have been wrong on more than one occasion....lol
Nope it won't be the same. The question is, "Will it be better or worse" and usually this type of things leads one to think worse. :/


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Heh, the show would probably stand a better chance if it kept the old ILC format but called it something else...


 

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The specials will be hosted and executive-produced by original series creator/executive producer Keenen Ivory Wayans. This is a modern-day take on the hit sketch comedy show that will feature a new cast of fresh, young talent, as well as musical performances by special guests.

Meh, No Thanks!!


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I've never understood why people think a sketch comedy show needs pop music guests. Those are two completely different things.


 

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I've never understood why people think a sketch comedy show needs pop music guests. Those are two completely different things.
Now I agree with this. It's so very true. And it's rarely or never a band you like.


 

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Knew I missed one or two.
I was also going to recommend A Series of Unfortunate Events. I think it would do Jim Carrey good to be more selective with roles. Does he ever turn down a part?

As an aside, Eddie Izzard is brilliant. He's covered in bees!


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