I've had issues with morality tips not dropping when I've already got three normal tips. I know it's not *supposed* to matter, but when you spend half an hour burning down zombies in DA and not getting a tip, then dismiss one of the tips and get the morality tip on the very next group, you start to wonder...
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Well, i've found that after filling all 5 fame circles no new tip missions will drop, including the morality mission. At least since Freedom launched that's how it's been working for me.
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Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
So a friend and I were running Hero tips missions last night and we both hit 10/10 after completing five for the night. We spent another 45 mins or so doing ordinary missions trying to get the morality mission tip to drop, but it never did for either of us. We must have taken out hundreds of enemies during those 45 mins.
Why didn't the morality mission drop? I know that tips mission drops are random like any other mob drop, but this seemed to defy statistical probability. It seems far more likely that something else was gating the morality mission drop. What would that be? |
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And I have had not problem getting Morality mission tips to drop after filling all 5 alignment missions in a day. Or when I only had 1 or 2 missions to fill the bar and still had 3 alignment mission tips I didn't do. And I frequently have the second Morality Mission Tip drop during my run of the first Morality mission that dropped. IOW, random is random.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Well, i've found that after filling all 5 fame circles no new tip missions will drop, including the morality mission. At least since Freedom launched that's how it's been working for me.
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So I'm still not sure if we've figured out what the gating factor is. Is it because we both had three alignment tips sitting in our contact list, or because all five of our fame slots were full? Or maybe either can be a gating factor. The paragonwiki has this to say about alignment tips:
As long as a character already has three Alignment Tips or has reached their max for the 'day', no more will be dropped by defeated enemies.But this is explicitly under the section on alignment tips. The section on morality tips has nothing to say on the matter. I suppose the implication is that they are subject to the same gating factors, but I'm pretty sure I've done morality missions shortly after finishing my tenth alignment tip in the past.
I'm beginning to think that at least one "tip slot" (out of the three possible) must be open in order for a morality tip to drop.
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If you are at 10/10 alignment points, you can still get a Morality Mission even if you are at maximum fame. You're just unlucky.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
If you are at 10/10 alignment points, you can still get a Morality Mission even if you are at maximum fame. You're just unlucky.
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I usually do another tip mission of someone else's, and I usually get the Morality Tip within the first mob.
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I certainly have experienced the OP's issue. I've encountered dry runs of over 200 mobs (yes I counted) before a morality mission dropped.
This is terribly needless grinding and I personally would like to see the drop rate increased. A low probability event like a tip drop can be subjected to some cruelly long streaks. I can't imagine it would be game-breaking to increase the drop rate, even if only for morality missions.
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I believe lieutenants and bosses have a higher chance of dropping tips so you could try taking advantage of that as well.
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Since you lose those tips once you reinforce your alignment, I would drop those tips just to hedge your bets.
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Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
we both had three alignment tips sitting in our contact list
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
If you are at 10/10 alignment points, you can still get a Morality Mission even if you are at maximum fame. You're just unlucky.
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Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Yeah, this. Random is random, even when it appears especially un-random.
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I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. Just recently, my tanker had her 10 alignment missions and was wait for a morality mish, over the course of a couple of days. I tried it with a whole ITF and no drops. In desperation, I deleted two of my existing tips and within one minute, I had both of the two morality missions.
Conclusion: There's a new bug. Your morality mish will not drop if you have three tips. Delete a couple of tips to get the morality mish.
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Yes, you are quite right. Making room for a tips mission certainly seems to be the answer; and given that you lose any you have upon reinforcing alignment, there's no point in keeping them anyway. We tried that last night and within a minute we had the morality mission.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Body
Since you lose those tips once you reinforce your alignment, I would drop those tips just to hedge your bets.
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But true randomness is predictable in its own way. You can put numbers on things like "expected wait time" and "typical variation", and you can say that if your actual wait time is more than a certain number of multiples of the variation, it's far more likely that the randomness isn't acting as expected than that you've been unlucky.|
Originally Posted by Eric Nelson
Yeah, this. Random is random, even when it appears especially un-random.
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(Case in point: my salvage drop count after 2200 minion defeats is 7.5 standard deviations higher than it should be given the official 8% drop rate. Even though "random is random", I can say with near-certainty that the actual salvage drop rate has changed.)
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Not for me. I was doing tip missions today (um, yesterday since it's after midnight) and had no problem getting the morality mission with all five circles filled. I was running two toons so one still had an alignment mission after both filled the circles and hit 10/10 on the bar. I ran that alignment mission and actually had 2 morality missions by the time I was done.
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Originally Posted by Schismatrix
Well, i've found that after filling all 5 fame circles no new tip missions will drop, including the morality mission. At least since Freedom launched that's how it's been working for me.
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Yes, this is the problem. Except for a few rare exceptions (the Halloween tip, and the Mort Kal intro tip) you can only have 3 tips at a time. If you have 3 regular alignment tips, a morality tip (or another alignment tip, for that matter) will never drop.
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Originally Posted by Wing_Leader
Is it because we both had three alignment tips sitting in our contact list
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This.
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Originally Posted by Madadh
Yes, this is the problem. Except for a few rare exceptions (the Halloween tip, and the Mort Kal intro tip) you can only have 3 tips at a time. If you have 3 regular alignment tips, a morality tip (or another alignment tip, for that matter) will never drop.
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However, I don't recall that it used to work that way. You used to be able to get the Alignment Mish in addition to three morality missions. Or do I misremember?
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I remember it working differently before as well.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
However, I don't recall that it used to work that way. You used to be able to get the Alignment Mish in addition to three morality missions. Or do I misremember?
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
However, I don't recall that it used to work that way. You used to be able to get the Alignment Mish in addition to three morality missions. Or do I misremember?
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As far as I can remember, it was always that you had to have a Tip slot open for a Morality mission to drop. Remember, Moralities drop as tips. If you're filled already on tips, you won't get another.
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Originally Posted by gameboy1234
However, I don't recall that it used to work that way. You used to be able to get the Alignment Mish in addition to three morality missions. Or do I misremember?
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To my recollection, this has never been the case. I never remember being able to get a fourth tip, except for the 2 rare circumstances I mentioned above.
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I've had four tips, but the only time I know for certain that it happened, the fourth tip dropped *after* the alignment mission tip.
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Originally Posted by Madadh
To my recollection, this has never been the case. I never remember being able to get a fourth tip, except for the 2 rare circumstances I mentioned above.
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So a friend and I were running Hero tips missions last night and we both hit 10/10 after completing five for the night. We spent another 45 mins or so doing ordinary missions trying to get the morality mission tip to drop, but it never did for either of us. We must have taken out hundreds of enemies during those 45 mins.
Why didn't the morality mission drop? I know that tips mission drops are random like any other mob drop, but this seemed to defy statistical probability. It seems far more likely that something else was gating the morality mission drop. What would that be?
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