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If they have to explain it in an after-show, then the show failed in that regard. There was no indication in the show which zombie was his wife or stepson. Hence, my belief that it would've been someone special to Herschel being the last one out. I was getting ready for Herschel to run up in front of the shooters trying to "protect" the person and then possibly getting bit. Someone could've thrown him out of the way, shot the zombie, he gets mad, grabs a gun and puts it to Rick's head. |
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Probably because the show's writers seem to feel that every episode needs an RPG-like quest to look for something or someone and don't care how badly it's shoe-horned in.
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To me it's almost like the comicbook has been a sort of "CliffsNotes" version to the TV show, which is weird considering the TV show is supposedly based off the comic.
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Probably because the show's writers seem to feel that every episode needs an RPG-like quest to look for something or someone and don't care how badly it's shoe-horned in.
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That being said it's obvious that what makes for a decent TV show is going to be different than what makes for a good comicbook issue. The structure of the story has to conform to the type of media it's being presented on. In some ways I agree that there are elements to the TV show that are very clearly "shoe-horned in" just for the sake of trying to come up with something that fits nicely into one-hour segments. But I don't really see that as a particular failing of this show as much as the general limitation of what you can and can't do with a typical chunk of TV show time.
Are there things the comicbook did much better than the TV show? Of course there are. I would simply argue that conversely there are things the TV show has been able to do that they could never dream of in a comic book format.
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There are definitely things they can do that the comic can't, such as dial in the delivery of dialogue and incorporate music to punctuate scenes, but I just don't think they've made effective use of those elements. In fact I find they've squandered a lot of opportunities. I really want to like this show but it's letting those TV format limitations define it instead of the characters and story.
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It's actually kind of funny that I'm sort of defending the TV show considering how much I've ripped on it in these forums. You should have seen how merciless I was on it last year during its first season.
That being said it's obvious that what makes for a decent TV show is going to be different than what makes for a good comicbook issue. The structure of the story has to conform to the type of media it's being presented on. In some ways I agree that there are elements to the TV show that are very clearly "shoe-horned in" just for the sake of trying to come up with something that fits nicely into one-hour segments. But I don't really see that as a particular failing of this show as much as the general limitation of what you can and can't do with a typical chunk of TV show time. Are there things the comicbook did much better than the TV show? Of course there are. I would simply argue that conversely there are things the TV show has been able to do that they could never dream of in a comic book format. |
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Foamy, I always find your opinions interesting even when we differ (which is often, I know).
Breaking away on a bit of a tangent I kind of wonder what you think about this season of Dexter (given your avatar).
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I would say that he needs to atone for being a racist redneck who probably beat woman in the past, he is trying to be a better person, he was like his brother now that he sees that it was wrong to act that way he is trying to change.
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Bit of a stretch to assume anything else until there are some flashbacks showing all of the racist/woman beating moments.
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Its pretty obvious some in the thread dont enjoy the show. If you continue to base the show on the comic as points of contention, Id say that you will not ever enjoy the show. Why torture yourself by continuing to make comparisons and keep coming to the thread with opposing views based on all of the dissatisfaction? If it was me, Id call it a wrap and go back to reading the comics again.
Im pissed that Tyrese and his crew may be replaced by T-Dog (he showed up once this episode? boooooring, go ahead and kill him already), but Im able to look past it all and enjoy the concept that this show is only loosely based on the comic.
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Foamy, I always find your opinions interesting even when we differ (which is often, I know).
Breaking away on a bit of a tangent I kind of wonder what you think about this season of Dexter (given your avatar). |
And to my shame I haven't watched this season of Dexter. We haven't had Showtime consistently since I'm not the one paying for the plan here and they keep switching it up.
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Its pretty obvious some in the thread dont enjoy the show. If you continue to base the show on the comic as points of contention, Id say that you will not ever enjoy the show. Why torture yourself by continuing to make comparisons and keep coming to the thread with opposing views based on all of the dissatisfaction? If it was me, Id call it a wrap and go back to reading the comics again.
Im pissed that Tyrese and his crew may be replaced by T-Dog (he showed up once this episode? boooooring, go ahead and kill him already), but Im able to look past it all and enjoy the concept that this show is only loosely based on the comic. |
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Absolutely and I agree, constructive criticism is where its at. If you and one other person are talking about how badly the show is being butchered with the majority in the thread saying they feel the opposite...may just have to look at what it is that you expect from this production is all.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Can we continue to base our criticisms on points of quality? I thought that's what I was doing . . .
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I encourage you to continue to watch and post, variety is the spice of life and what gets these lively discussions flowing. It just seems to me that you dont really like the show based on your comments.
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Well I appreciate you not jumping my **** just because I throw out criticisms. Some boards are pretty bad for that.
And to my shame I haven't watched this season of Dexter. We haven't had Showtime consistently since I'm not the one paying for the plan here and they keep switching it up. |
I much prefer civility over typical internet flame wars. Life's too short.Well shoot, was interested in your take on this season of Dexter. Everyone I know is a season behind or more and I haven't really heard anyone elses feelings about this season. I'm lukewarm to it.
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I thought it worked (The Sophia sequence) as intended.
It gave viewers an opportunity to see if Rick was actually going to stand behind what he believes, that they are dangerous. Regardless of who they once were.
Or if he'd buckle and side with Hershel that they are still fathers, daughters, sons, and so forth.
I'm a huge fan of the comic. My wife, on the other hand, is not. In her defense, she's not overly a big fan of zombies.
Our two reactions almost mirrored that.
I smirked as Sophia walked through the barn door, knowing Rick was finally going to "nut-up" and stop being cowardly. Finally becoming Deputy Rick Grimes I love vs. Sheriff Rick Grimes I hate (Probably the reason Shane is actually my favorite character on the show I suppose)
She was practically in tears because the little girl they were looking for was dead and her "family" put her down.
So, with the show on planned hiatus, anyone want to keep the discussion going with the comics over the next few weeks?
I think TB 15 comes out in about a month. And I91 came out last week maybe? Or the week before.
And it looks like McFarlane is finally get that series 2 line of figures out (Ones based on the TV show)
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I thought it worked (The Sophia sequence) as intended.
It gave viewers an opportunity to see if Rick was actually going to stand behind what he believes, that they are dangerous. Regardless of who they once were. Or if he'd buckle and side with Hershel that they are still fathers, daughters, sons, and so forth. I'm a huge fan of the comic. My wife, on the other hand, is not. In her defense, she's not overly a big fan of zombies. Our two reactions almost mirrored that. I smirked as Sophia walked through the barn door, knowing Rick was finally going to "nut-up" and stop being cowardly. Finally becoming Deputy Rick Grimes I love vs. Sheriff Rick Grimes I hate (Probably the reason Shane is actually my favorite character on the show I suppose) She was practically in tears because the little girl they were looking for was dead and her "family" put her down. So, with the show on planned hiatus, anyone want to keep the discussion going with the comics over the next few weeks? I think TB 15 comes out in about a month. And I91 came out last week maybe? Or the week before. And it looks like McFarlane is finally get that series 2 line of figures out (Ones based on the TV show) |
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
Absolutely and I agree, constructive criticism is where its at. If you and one other person are talking about how badly the show is being butchered with the majority in the thread saying they feel the opposite...may just have to look at what it is that you expect from this production is all.
I encourage you to continue to watch and post, variety is the spice of life and what gets these lively discussions flowing. It just seems to me that you dont really like the show based on your comments. |
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I expect it to be good?
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Well obviously Zombie Sophia being the last one to shamble out of the barn was for dramatic effect, rather or not it hit it's mark is debatable. As far as Shane unleashing the zombies from the barn. Better to have them pour out of the barn in mid day light one by one and have everyone gun them down than to have the barn break open at night when they can't really see it coming and aren't prepared.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
I didn't really find it to be powerful so much as forced. That zombie Sophia would wait until all of the other zombies came out first made everything the writers were trying to do too obvious, which didn't help on top of the lingering stupidity of Shane ranting about how dangerous all the zombies in the barn are and then busting the place open right in front of everyone.
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It was still an unnecessary risk, and it didn't even come with consequences, which takes some of the edge away from the zombies and the world they live in now.
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Originally Posted by MentalMaden
Well shoot, was interested in your take on this season of Dexter. Everyone I know is a season behind or more and I haven't really heard anyone elses feelings about this season. I'm lukewarm to it.
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Well obviously a much dumber strategy is going to be dumber. But they didn't even take the time to think about how to do it. Shane just took it upon himself to bash the barn open without considering if everyone was ready, they had the necessary ammo, and that Carl would be in a safer area of the farm when that went down.|
Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
Well obviously Zombie Sophia being the last one to shamble out of the barn was for dramatic effect, rather or not it hit it's mark is debatable. As far as Shane unleashing the zombies from the barn. Better to have them pour out of the barn in mid day light one by one and have everyone gun them down than to have the barn break open at night when they can't really see it coming and aren't prepared.
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In a way though I wish if they were going to take them down that easily then they would take it further and realize how much dumber and slower they are and start bashing their heads in close-ranger rather than waste a bunch of bullets and make a lot of noise to draw other zombies to them.
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I'm just going to say it. Everyone is infected and Zombie Sophia is the proof. Granted they didn't show every inch of her body, but where were the bites? If she was attacked by a zombie, why didn't it eat more of her before she turned? We've seen what they do. They rip you apart. She wasn't ripped apart. She was fully intact from what I saw. Just...dead. So, she must not have been attacked. Which means she died from something else. Disease? Exposure? Starvation? Then she came back. Everyone is already infected. And that's what Dr. Jenner told Rick at the CDC.
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I'm just going to say it. Everyone is infected and Zombie Sophia is the proof. Granted they didn't show every inch of her body, but where were the bites? If she was attacked by a zombie, why didn't it eat more of her before she turned? We've seen what they do. They rip you apart. She wasn't ripped apart. She was fully intact from what I saw. Just...dead. So, she must not have been attacked. Which means she died from something else. Disease? Exposure? Starvation? Then she came back. Everyone is already infected. And that's what Dr. Jenner told Rick at the CDC.
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I've not actually read the comics, but from what I gathered from reading peoples posts is in the comic there are more people near the barn doors when the zombies get out. In the show we see only Shane is close enough to the barn to be in danger. They open fire before the situation gets out of their control. It was clear the survivors had the advantage over the shambling zombies.|
Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Well obviously a much dumber strategy is going to be dumber. But they didn't even take the time to think about how to do it. Shane just took it upon himself to bash the barn open without considering if everyone was ready, they had the necessary ammo, and that Carl would be in a safer area of the farm when that went down.
Again, I'm specifically referring to the zombies being gunned down like nothing and no one dying. It kind of undermines the danger the zombies represent. Just makes little sense for someone to be ranting and yelling about how dangerous the zombies are and then busting a barn full of them open. |
On top of that, from what I've read here and on wikipedia, Herschel has fewer children in the show than in the comic and the ones he does have are probably crucial to the up coming plot. So who should have died?
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I must have missed that. Thanks for the correction. It still raises the question of why the zombie that attacked her didn't finish the job. It's not like they kill for sport and move on and it's unlikely that she would have killed it and gotten away. But, that's just me needing questions answered I guess.
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She had a huge bite mark on her left neck and a big blood stain on her shoulder.
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That's actually incorrect. Essentially everyone was near the barn in the show. In the comics it's Hershel and his kids that are helping him get a zombie in the barn in the immediate area with some of Rick's group a little further away. They were having target practice when they saw the zombie and not everyone was there. And that did become clear as it went down, but unleashing the undead cannibals with everyone a stone's throw away without any real preparation was foolish.|
Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
I've not actually read the comics, but from what I gathered from reading peoples posts is in the comic there are more people near the barn doors when the zombies get out. In the show we see only Shane is close enough to the barn to be in danger. They open fire before the situation gets out of their control. It was clear the survivors had the advantage over the shambling zombies.
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On top of that, from what I've read here and on wikipedia, Herschel has fewer children in the show than in the comic and the ones he does have are probably crucial to the up coming plot. So who should have died? *shrug* |
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I'm asking you who you think should have been attacked and bitten by a zombie last night. Clearly you have it in for someone, because you don't think the assault on the barn should have gone so 'smoothly'. Maybe Shane should have gotten bitten, that would have been delicious irony.
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If they have to explain it in an after-show, then the show failed in that regard. There was no indication in the show which zombie was his wife or stepson. Hence, my belief that it would've been someone special to Herschel being the last one out. I was getting ready for Herschel to run up in front of the shooters trying to "protect" the person and then possibly getting bit.
Someone could've thrown him out of the way, shot the zombie, he gets mad, grabs a gun and puts it to Rick's head.
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