The most important question regarding Titan Weapons and Staff Melee...
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Posted on: 2011-10-13 17:54 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Yes, please.
Didn't Battle Maiden just get reworked?
If the devs want to be extra evil, they should update them a few weeks BEFORE they are on sale.
See how many people run those TFs to see them in action.
...why would Valkyrie use a staff? Am I missing something? Or will staff melee include spears?
Admittedly, I don't understand the Valkyrie idea, but Battle Maiden makes sense. This just brings up the point that I have always, and still do, want Spear Melee 
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You can fight with a spear in much the same manner as a staff. They'd have to give her her own versions of some of the attacks that do lethal damage depending on which end of her spear is striking, but it'd look fine.|
Originally Posted by Hopeling
...why would Valkyrie use a staff? Am I missing something? Or will staff melee include spears?
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Originally Posted by Kadmon
Admittedly, I don't understand the Valkyrie idea, but Battle Maiden makes sense. This just brings up the point that I have always, and still do, want Spear Melee
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I hope so.
Also I hope Valkyrie gets a new look, so much needed.
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Originally Posted by Angelxman81
I hope so.
Also I hope Valkyrie gets a new look, so much needed. |
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If you can call it that. They basically hit the "Valkyrie" costume set, picked the ugliest colors they could find, and called it a day. Another revamp can only be an improvement.|
Originally Posted by LISAR
Didn't Battle Maiden just get reworked?
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Anyway, that isn't the most important question regarding those powersets. The most important question IS: Can we have "mop" as a Staff option, and "giant butterfly net" as a Titan Weapon option?
I guess that's really two questions in one, but still: WAY more important.
I'd be happy if either Staff Melee or Titan Weapons gave you the Nemesis Staff to whack people with.
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Fixed that for you.
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Originally Posted by minimalist_NA
Can we have "Giant Frozen Fish" as a Titan Weapon option?
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A mop or broom could work well for an impromptu staff. ..a giant butterfly net...that's not really a good weapon...and not something you could just happen to find when you needed a weapon...not in Titan Weapon size anyways. They could also just use a broken handle as a staff...one ended rounded off the other pointy broken wood...no need for 2 separate cleaning items then...ont he other side smash people in the face with a push broom as "The Custodian" could be fun.|
Originally Posted by minimalist_NA
If you can call it that. They basically hit the "Valkyrie" costume set, picked the ugliest colors they could find, and called it a day. Another revamp can only be an improvement.
Anyway, that isn't the most important question regarding those powersets. The most important question IS: Can we have "mop" as a Staff option, and "giant butterfly net" as a Titan Weapon option? I guess that's really two questions in one, but still: WAY more important. |
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Originally Posted by Teldon
Fixed that for you.
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I don't really even care about the damage type. I think the point is that "Staff Fighting needs to have at least one spear model, and Valk, who's been carrying a spear on her back since forever, should probably be able to use it.", and that's a point I can get behind.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
You can fight with a spear in much the same manner as a staff. They'd have to give her her own versions of some of the attacks that do lethal damage depending on which end of her spear is striking, but it'd look fine.
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Nope!
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Originally Posted by Teldon
I figured the most most important question would be would those power sets be fun to play.
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or a dead horse...
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Originally Posted by LISAR
I think an animal carcass would be better...like you went into a meat locker and grabbed half a cow...
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Spears are solely and only thrusting weapons. There's no point in swinging a spear around to scratch your enemies with, because it's not a slashing weapon. A staff has no piercing point on either end and is, instead, more of a swinging weapon. I can't imagine a fighting style that would fit both without looking silly.|
Originally Posted by Vanden
You can fight with a spear in much the same manner as a staff. They'd have to give her her own versions of some of the attacks that do lethal damage depending on which end of her spear is striking, but it'd look fine.
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Not to mention that "a spear" isn't really a two-handed weapon unless it's a pike, which isn't really a melee weapon, not for a lone combatant, anyway. Now, if we're talking halberds and polearms like what Battle Maiden has, that I could see, but that's not what Valkyrie has.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
What's not to understand? She has a spear, she should fight with it.
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I'm not saying that I don't want either of the two revamped - I do. I just don't think it's safe to assume that Staff Fighting (if and when that comes out) will be at all compatible with spear-type weapons or even basic polearms any more so than it would be compatible with two-handed axes and hammers. In much the same way, Titanic Weapons are defined as a weapon that's part hilt, part body, rather than a long-shaft weapon.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Completely disagree. Maybe if you are lined up in the ranks of an army, but as a single fighter you are going to use that spear as a staff as well. Dang sight easier to spear someone when they are sitting on their butt.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Spears are solely and only thrusting weapons. There's no point in swinging a spear around to scratch your enemies with, because it's not a slashing weapon. A staff has no piercing point on either end and is, instead, more of a swinging weapon. I can't imagine a fighting style that would fit both without looking silly.
Not to mention that "a spear" isn't really a two-handed weapon unless it's a pike, which isn't really a melee weapon, not for a lone combatant, anyway. Now, if we're talking halberds and polearms like what Battle Maiden has, that I could see, but that's not what Valkyrie has. |
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I'm not saying you can't use the spear as a staff - it IS a staff with a spear tip on one end. I'm saying you can't use the staff as a spear for lack of a spear tip. If they're designing a Staff Fighting set, they will design it without piercing thrusts, therefore using it with a weapon with a spear head would just look awkward when you can't actually use the weapon at the end of your pole.|
Originally Posted by Jagged
Completely disagree. Maybe if you are lined up in the ranks of an army, but as a single fighter you are going to use that spear as a staff as well. Dang sight easier to spear someone when they are sitting on their butt.
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Though I guess if no-one is bothered by Valkyrie using a spear she never spears enemies with, I have no argument.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Oh I dunno, I think poking the end of a staff into someone's gut would work (as an attack animation) whether it had a spear head or not
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm not saying you can't use the spear as a staff - it IS a staff with a spear tip on one end. I'm saying you can't use the staff as a spear for lack of a spear tip. If they're designing a Staff Fighting set, they will design it without piercing thrusts, therefore using it with a weapon with a spear head would just look awkward when you can't actually use the weapon at the end of your pole.
Though I guess if no-one is bothered by Valkyrie using a spear she never spears enemies with, I have no argument. |
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To an extent I agree with you. But unless they've changed the animations for the set from when that video was leaked (entirely possible) then the staff animations used with a spear of some kind would only look as implausible as Seung Mina's do from the Soul Calibur series. Heck, in that series she and Kilik (the pure staff fighter) share a significant portion of their moveset. Granted, I'm not sure how 'accurate' Seung Mina's moves are, but they've never looked like they didn't fit the weapon at all to me.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm not saying you can't use the spear as a staff - it IS a staff with a spear tip on one end. I'm saying you can't use the staff as a spear for lack of a spear tip. If they're designing a Staff Fighting set, they will design it without piercing thrusts, therefore using it with a weapon with a spear head would just look awkward when you can't actually use the weapon at the end of your pole.
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Why would you not be able to poke someone with a staff? Thrusting is a pretty common maneuver for pretty much every melee weapon.
This seems pretty staff like. spear fight
... is why aren't they out already.
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Will Battle Maiden and Valkyrie be retooled to use said powersets? Obviously Valkyrie should use Staff Melee, and Battle Maiden Titan Weapons.
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