The most important question regarding Titan Weapons and Staff Melee...
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Posted on: 2011-10-13 17:54 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I think that's been what most people are talking about when they say "spear" in this topic, though that might be my own narrow imagination speaking.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
That's because what Mina is using is not a spear, but some kind of polearm. I'm not sure what kind, though I want to say "naginata," but the point is that hers has a slashing blade at the end.
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Edit: Actually, looking at the picture of Valkyrie on the wiki, it looks like my memory was in the wrong. Yeah, her spear is entirely of the pokey variety. For some reason, I was thinking there was a blade on hers, but I must have been confusing her with the old Battle Maiden.
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Originally Posted by minimalist_NA
The most important question IS: Can we have "mop" as a Staff option [...]
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That's a TREMENDOUS idea!
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I will point out Sam that the 'leaked' animations for Staff fighting could VERY much be used as spears, infact one of the powers was multiple 'piercing thrusts'. |
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I'm not saying you can't use the spear as a staff - it IS a staff with a spear tip on one end. I'm saying you can't use the staff as a spear for lack of a spear tip. If they're designing a Staff Fighting set, they will design it without piercing thrusts, therefore using it with a weapon with a spear head would just look awkward when you can't actually use the weapon at the end of your pole.
Though I guess if no-one is bothered by Valkyrie using a spear she never spears enemies with, I have no argument. |
This would be Spear combat ala Dynasty Warriors (where the spear is used for sweeping gestures, overhead strikes and thrusts) instead of Spear combat ala real life.
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Kinda like Dual Pistols is Gun Fu? Martial Arts is wire action? Fire Melee isn't wrapping your hands in bandages, dousing them with gasoline and then setting them on fire?
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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
I will point out Sam that the 'leaked' animations for Staff fighting could VERY much be used as spears, infact one of the powers was multiple 'piercing thrusts'.
This would be Spear combat ala Dynasty Warriors (where the spear is used for sweeping gestures, overhead strikes and thrusts) instead of Spear combat ala real life. |
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Well people seem to be going on about Spear melee ala real life..just pointing out that using a spear in CoH would be more martial arts style showy so twas no need to be snarky.
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Sorry. Though these are the second and third most important questions in reference to canon characters... (And ones I fully support!)|
Originally Posted by Vanden
Will Battle Maiden and Valkyrie be retooled to use said powersets? Obviously Valkyrie should use Staff Melee, and Battle Maiden Titan Weapons.
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..THE most important question still remains: when will players get functional underarm wings so Swan can get those rigid stand-ins replaced with the real thing?
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Yea, that's generally how my brain wants to parse and apparently use it in these threads.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I think that's been what most people are talking about when they say "spear" in this topic, though that might be my own narrow imagination speaking.
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And if you just flattened Valkyrie's spear tip into more of a pointy blade it would work just fine. To be perfectly honest I haven't paid that much attention to her spear in ages. I actually kind of thought it already was more of a blade than a point. It's just such a horrendously boring and forgettable costume ....
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By the OP's logic, shouldn't Back Alley Brawler/Marauder get Street Fighting as their powerset?
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Originally Posted by Shubbie
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BAB probably would be Street Fighting if the set had existed at the time to be fair.
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Don't forget that NPCs usually have a smaller number of attacks than players have, as well as the occasional couple of NPC specific/unique attacks. |
Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
I will point out Sam that the 'leaked' animations for Staff fighting could VERY much be used as spears, infact one of the powers was multiple 'piercing thrusts'.
This would be Spear combat ala Dynasty Warriors (where the spear is used for sweeping gestures, overhead strikes and thrusts) instead of Spear combat ala real life. |
The questions to my mind are:
-Given however many thrusting attacks are in the 'leaked' clip, how many more attacks would Valkyrie really need to fill out her fighting style?
-Generally speaking, would she need more than 5-7 spear attacks?
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I suspect you may be thinking of Battle Maiden's "spear," which is more of a halberd and would be appropriate for this, I presume. Though, hey, if we want to modify Valkyrie's spear into a glave and use it like that, then I would have no issue with it. I was actually going to suggest something like that, but it felt like it would sidetrack the character. But, hey, give her a glave and go for it.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I think that's been what most people are talking about when they say "spear" in this topic, though that might be my own narrow imagination speaking.
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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
I will point out Sam that the 'leaked' animations for Staff fighting could VERY much be used as spears, infact one of the powers was multiple 'piercing thrusts'.
This would be Spear combat ala Dynasty Warriors (where the spear is used for sweeping gestures, overhead strikes and thrusts) instead of Spear combat ala real life. |
However, if the animations work, then sure. Go for it. Animations are my primary issue, and if that's not an issue, then why not? However, I have to ask - a quarterstaff would technically be used to strike with either end. Would that not look a bit odd when done with a polearm with a blade only on one end?
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Originally Posted by BrandX
Fire Melee isn't wrapping your hands in bandages, dousing them with gasoline and then setting them on fire?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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You're right. He should, he definitely should.|
Originally Posted by DarkSideLeague
By the OP's logic, shouldn't Back Alley Brawler/Marauder get Street Fighting as their powerset?
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But he's probably Who Will Die, so no point in putting in the work.
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I think that's the point. Power sets can offer abilities beyond what you'd expect from just taking their names at face value.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Um... How does setting your hands on fire allow you to form fire swords and shoot fire from your mouth (or nose, as the animation suggests)?
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Issue 16 made me feel like this.
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This.
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Originally Posted by Blue Rabbit
... is why aren't they out already.
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I don't really want staff melee to have spear options. Halberds are fine.
If I am using a spear, I want it to be compatible with a shield as it has been used all throughout history.
I am assuming the staff set will be two-handed and incompatible with shields.
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It would be incredibly clichéd to have Back Alley Brawler be the one to die. I'm guessing Manticore's going to buy it.
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Originally Posted by Vanden
You're right. He should, he definitely should.
But he's probably Who Will Die, so no point in putting in the work. |
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Manticore or Sister Psyche are the best "drama" options. And seeing as we already have two ghostly female superheroes running around, I'd like to think that they wouldn't kill off another prominent living female hero.|
Originally Posted by Kierthos
It would be incredibly clichéd to have Back Alley Brawler be the one to die. I'm guessing Manticore's going to buy it.
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Also, his dying would give them an opportunity to get her a new costume that wasn't that easily replicable tights w/skin look that she currently has. (and hopefully not Mother Mayhem "inspired", if you know what I mean.)
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Whadda ya mean "cliché"!?!
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Originally Posted by Kierthos
It would be incredibly clichéd to have Back Alley Brawler be the one to die. I'm guessing Manticore's going to buy it.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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This is about Valkyrie using Staff Melee. She doesn't use a shield, even with her current sword. I doubt there will be spear options for staff melee for players, but as a signature NPC she can have unique moves or weapons not available to players.
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Originally Posted by Giant2005
I don't really want staff melee to have spear options. Halberds are fine.
If I am using a spear, I want it to be compatible with a shield as it has been used all throughout history. I am assuming the staff set will be two-handed and incompatible with shields. |
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Even Romulus Augustus fights with a spear.
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I think by "cliche", he's referring to the fact that, let's face it, the guy's got several marks against him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
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I haven't seen the animations yet for Staff fighting, but for those that have, what style are they going with? Are they going with European Quarterstaff fighting style, or are they going more with Japanese bō (Bōjutsu) style?
Both styles (and many others that are not as widely known) incorporate thrusting motions and attacks. Looking at Valkyrie's spear, it could be qualified as a Long Spear, and would lend itself very well either style. She would not use just the pointy-end of her spear as a weapon - as a true warrior, she should consider ALL parts of her spear dangerous (not just the pointy part). In addition, the size of her weapon would make it very inefficient to use just the stabby part.
A shorter spear (one that would be roughly a third of the length of Valkyrie's spear) could be wielded one-handed, and in such a style you would use it primarily as a stabbing weapon and usually with a shield. Imagine a Norse(Viking) warrior or a Roman Infantryman
Side thought: I'm assuming that Staff Fighting is only going to reference a single, 2-handed staff, and not using two, 1-handed staffs such as Escrima sticks (the latter would be quite neat too).
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I would describe it as more "eastern" looking. Most of the powers looked like something you might see Kilik doing in Soul Calibur, and tier-9 was a slow motion leap in the air in the style of Eagle's Claw.
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Originally Posted by LordAethar
I haven't seen the animations yet for Staff fighting, but for those that have, what style are they going with? Are they going with European Quarterstaff fighting style, or are they going more with Japanese bō (Bōjutsu) style?
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as a mild derail: I actually think Back Ally Brawler is a red herring. I mean "Black Dude Dies first" AND "retirony"? Way too predictable. Not only that but the ads have said a member of the of the FREEDOM PHALANX will die, and I believe Positron once said that, despite his close associate, BAB is actually NOT a member of the Phalanx.
Though I do predict he will get hurt badly and it will result in his powersets being changed into Street justice/willpower.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
City of Heroes is a game about freedom of expression and variety of experiences far more so than it is about representing any one theme, topic or genre.
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Like I said - if the animations end up matching up, then sure. I just don't think that this is the kind of set they're designing.
Glave! That's what that is! Mina is using a glave, or more specifically a guan dao. It's a single-edged cutting blade mounted at the end of a pole which can be used for thrusting or splashing, hence why her animations emphasise slashing attacks. A spear is solely a thrusting weapon, which is why it always gets brought up. It does have cutting edges along its spear tip and I suppose you could try to slash with it, but it's really just not a slashing weapon.
Now, if we want to trade Valkyrie's spear for a glave or a halberd like Battle Maiden, then that might work.