Maximum ST damage possible

Ok all you number crunchers, here is a question I have for you. Hypothetical situation. You have capped recharge and capped damage at all times. You have no endurance issues at all. You are also impssible to kill and dont have to worry about getting hit ever. Now here's the challenge:

What AT and powerset combination under these conditions would pump out the highest single target damage? Keep in mind things like rage, AAO, and soul drain are pointless because theoretically we are talking about always being damage capped.

I'm guessing it will be something like a fire armor brute because of firery embrace going over the cap. Or maybe a sonic defender or corruptor.

Always capped and never getting hit Stalker Assassins Strike w/ crit is the strongest ST attack available to players. Preferably DM for the Negative Energy damage which is resisted less often than other types.

Under these conditions, fire/fire/soul brute, I think, although a blaster would also be way waaaay up there.

Of course, a debuffer would do even better, but that's due to -resist stacking, not damage output, which might be outside this discussion.

FFS brute wins because fury pumps up all dot ticks and fiery embrace shatters the damage cap to pieces.

Given that you are operating under a variant of Limitless Radial FREEM! and you have permanently capped damage/recharge coupled with invulnerability, the straight dps will be higher on anything that can break the damage cap. Resistance debuffs and/or Fiery Embrace let you go over the damage cap by a percentage of your total damage, and therefore win.

I'm not currently in a position to mathcraft who would win overall, but my gut says that the fire/fire/soul brute would be at the top of the melee pack. Last time I checked, brutes @ damage cap would out-do scrappers @their damage cap using the same sets, because the brute cap is sufficiently higher to overcome their lower base damage scale.
Fire melee (plus gloom) has really high base damage output, and /fire means that you get to laugh at damage caps (and the best damage aura helps).

On the other hand, adding in damage procs would also let you bypass the damage cap, which is why a radiation blast procmonster works so well - load up something like Neutrino Bolt with three damage procs and a resistance debuff proc, and spam ftw. Claws would be right up there, as it can use both an Apocalypse proc (in Focus) and a Hecatomb proc in their regular swipes, plus use an Achilles' Heel somewhere in there (I forget the names of most claw attacks, forgive me).

Last I checked, Brute fury was balanced out so that, yes, under normal content they may outdamage a Scrapper, but if a Brute and Scrapper were both at their respective damage cap, the Scrapper would out-damage the Brute.

My vote goes to a Fire/Fire Scrapper with the -res Interface and running Fiery Embrace.

I thought for DPS it was determined Fire/Fire/Ice or Mace Doms won.

My Crab would kick *** at damage cap. Between it's good damage, debuffs and pets, it lreday out-damages by Fire Brute when my Brute is at the damage cap and the Crab isn't.
If the Crab was there too, it would be so amazingly one-sided.

I would use a SM/Fire brute, using Burn - Gloom - Seismic Smash - Gloom, which should do slightly over 600 DPS all things considered (maximum tohit chance, procs, FE, time spent using clicks).

SS could be used just as well, as KO Blow is functionally identical to Seismic Smash, with a slower animation and recharge. Using Seismic Smash allows to use clicks in the gap between Seismic Smash and the next Gloom and lose slightly less time, but seeing as it's going to be (in that hypothetical scenario) Hasten every 120s and FE every 35s, we're not talking about an enormous difference.

Why not a scrapper? Lacking inherent aggro control in attacks, it forces to spend time chasing the target or using immobs and taunts, unless the only goal is to fight in situations in which this wouldn't be a problem (i.e. an immobile target such as a pylon, or always teaming up with a competent tanker or brute to hold aggro).

I think under these conditions the brute would out do the scrapper because fiery embrace bases its buff amount off of your damage buff, doesn't it?

I think both will gain equal ammount of buff from FE, its roughly 50% of the damage done by the power, so the base values are still capped damage on both sides. Only Scrapper might loose a bit, afaik FE doesnt benefit from criticals, where brute might take the upper hand again.

Hmm, is mids' going wrong on Shatter armor? Stating 461 dmg on the tooltip, 90% buffed is harldy 300dmg, only making Mako's bite proc hitting the 461dmg.

I think your confusion is that stupid Gaussian's BU proc in Tactics. Turn tactics off.

Is there some way of getting Mids to let me turn tactics on without it turning that proc on?

Either a crab or a MM with all pets attacking one target. Current king of the pylon run is a crab that did it in 30 seconds with over 1000 DPS.

With no pets, that changes. A fire armor character will gain a 37.5% boost to damage from FE at max recharge, so we'll assume fire armor is the best. A scrapper at max damage would deal 1.125*1.1*5 scalar damage, so 6.1875, while a brute would deal .75*7.75, or 5.8125. But what about a stalker? They would deal 6.5 scalar damage with teammates around. But stalkers don't have fire armor, so it doesn't matter.

All things being equal, a MA/FE scrapper will do the most for a melee archtype, as I believe MA has the best chain in scrapperdom. I could easily be wrong though.

In the land of the ranged, a sonic/em blaster will be the best choice for blasters, though it may be beaten by a cold/sonic defender. Also notable would be a sonic/cold corrupter, and a fire/cold controller.

the trick is everyone is talking about their own builds like that's what OP wants. OP wants single target damage... i supose he's looking either for DPS or single attack

Single attack, i'm not sure, though i bet it would probably be a stalker-sneak attack crit.

DPS is probably a (insert blaster here). While blasters won't tip the scale with the highest damage attacks, with enough recharge and the proper attack set they'll probably pour more DPS on a single target then any other AT based on the low animation cast times, and the short recharge times for their attack powers.

when you're able to pour out 200~ so hps/sec with just one T1 attack on autocast BEFORE you're adjusted for the OP's starting conditions, you know you're an insane damage dealer.




here is a build i've been thinking about trying when i finally get around to it. it's a little rough, but you get the picture when i talk about absurd DPS. i'm sure plenty of people will have ideas of how to improve the dps on this build as well.


Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.952
http://www.cohplanner.com/

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Damage Queen: Level 50 Magic Blaster
Primary Power Set: Fire Blast
Secondary Power Set: Mental Manipulation
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Cold Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Flares

• (A) Apocalypse - Damage
• (3) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
• (15) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (42) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
• (43) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
• (45) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

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You are right, it has a recharge of 180, not 120 as I thought.

I believe he did no temps/insps but used lore pets.