So, Are We Allowed To Talk About Other Games Now . . . ?
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Posted on: 2011-10-07 14:41 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
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Good way to totally mischaracterize the intent of the rules. Do you have a degree in Straw Man?
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
The allusion to Connect 4 being taboo of all things, that's where I think it goes overboard. I appreciate that they have recently loosened the restrictions to a degree but... seriously?
Like having a thread talking about Candyland getting you hooked on gaming, which brought you to this game, will make everyone that reads it rush off and play hours upon hours of board games instead of this one. |
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Doesn't matter what the "intent" was.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Good way to totally mischaracterize the intent of the rules. Do you have a degree in Straw Man?
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An Administrator said that talking about Connect 4 is not allowed nor the strategies therein. Despite how vastly little talking about Connect 4 would impinge on CoH.
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Intent does matter. To prove to you that intent matters, you have, in what I have just quoted above, continued to mischaracterize that intent and criticize the action based on that falsely presented intent.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Doesn't matter what the "intent" was.
An Administrator said that talking about Connect 4 is not allowed nor the strategies therein. Despite how vastly little talking about Connect 4 would impinge on CoH. |
Portraying these rules as the Devs being afraid that a discussion of a board game is going to impact people paying for CoH is one of the dumbest things I've read on these boards. Which is a very high mark to cross.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Intent does matter. To prove to you that intent matters, you have, in what I have just quoted above, continued to mischaracterize that intent and criticize the action based on that falsely presented intent.
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It doesn't matter what their intent was, when the result is a) less posters; b) less people paying; c) community that was gutted.
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| Portraying these rules as the Devs being afraid that a discussion of a board game is going to impact people paying for CoH is one of the dumbest things I've read on these boards. Which is a very high mark to cross. |
They don't want talk of "competing" products? Think about it. What does that actually mean? They don't want people hearing about other games so that people won't rush out to play 'em. Playing 'em generally means buying (or renting) them. Money spent on that is money that isn't going to NCSoft.
And this rule change came about around when a certain Distinguished Concept Unveiled Operations was in beta. That was, and remains, a fear-based response that people were going to jump ship.
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Except that, you know, that is the exact reason OCR gave us for the rule back when it was created... In it's original form (Video format games)|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Portraying these rules as the Devs being afraid that a discussion of a board game is going to impact people paying for CoH is one of the dumbest things I've read on these boards. Which is a very high mark to cross.
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The whole no board games issue is new to me, and I paid close attention to the rule since it began.
But hey, I'm all for looking at things from other angles, so how would you portray it Zombie? Other than "Because they said so." What exactly is the intent of banning talking about Bop it?
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yes... saying that talking about board games is going to impact people paying for CoH is stupid... Someone obvious had that thought either in creating or implementing the rules and thus that person is an incredibly stupid person and they have power on these forums. It's amazing how stupid people gt in positions of power over people...|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Intent does matter. To prove to you that intent matters, you have, in what I have just quoted above, continued to mischaracterize that intent and criticize the action based on that falsely presented intent.
Portraying these rules as the Devs being afraid that a discussion of a board game is going to impact people paying for CoH is one of the dumbest things I've read on these boards. Which is a very high mark to cross. |
As far as being less strict I know at least one person just recently had their signature forcibly changed and an avatar and signature I've had for well over a year now was forcibly changed and someone's been messing with the profanity filters so It seems more like they aren't easing up so much...
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Actually we were told we are allowed to talk about things as long as there is a connection with CoH... when ever someone did however it was always moderated and thus caused confusion.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Except that, you know, that is the exact reason OCR gave us for the rule back when it was created... In it's original form (Video format games)
The whole no board games issue is new to me, and I paid close attention to the rule since it began. But hey, I'm all for looking at things from other angles, so how would you portray it Zombie? Other than "Because they said so." What exactly is the intent of banning talking about Bop it? |
Well, that was at the same time as the Fred's Steak restaurant being 'related to CoH' because a meet and greet once happened there, with a few people, from a server.
Which only added to the confusion.
They told us to try not to outright mention the game by name, but as that was nearly impossible to moderate, they've eased up on nuking every single game name posted and seem to only be gunning for compare and contrast threads. I agree with that, we shouldnt have compare and contrast threads.
Thing is, no compare/contrast was the rule from day 1 of the forums. At no point in time could you compare WoW and CoH without it getting nuked.
What changed was (I won't even bothering mentioning the timing...) it went from no Compare/Contrast to No game except this one even exists. Undermining 5+ years of a tight nit subgroup. We dealt with it though.
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Well, keep in mind, i know you dont make the rules, and that this instead is an edict from people disconnected with the gaming community, but I feel this idea totally misunderstands why coh had a strong community in the first place. People in the old, enjoyable, worth reading comics culture forums enjoyed the fact that as a community that has already developed some cohesiveness and unity, this was a better group to discuss gaming than the general GameFAQs or ign crowd, less trolls, tighter bonds, it really worked, back then, to see good, vibrant discussions with people who were simply a better caliber than you used to stumble across on general gaming forums. we had fights, i was statistically likely to have been in a few of them, but at its hear the community was something like an extended in-group where we had some great discussions. |
Originally Posted by Beastyle
Hi folks, allow me to clarify some things on this rule. The rule can be boiled down very simply to:
No dedicated discussion of games outside of City of Heroes, and limited discussion of other NCsoft games. What does "dedicated discussion" mean? This means that threads created specifically for discussing another game are prohibited; e.g., "New Game X comes out this fall," "General MMO/RTS/FPS/insert genre here thread," "How do I beat the boss in X game," etc. Dedicated discussion also includes lengthy discussions of another game in unrelated threads. Other games can be mentioned in passing provided they are not competing products. In addition, comparing/constrasting any game(s) with City of Heroes is prohibited. Basically the rule has been modified to allow players to mention other games, so long as they do not discuss them. So you can make a reference to game X, or say you're playing game Y, as long as you don't go into lengthy discussion and/or create a thread specifically about it. Hope that clears everything up! |
Talking about bioware games(those always made great threads) or new single player rpg's, or even street fighter 4, those were fun times. I actually left my original game forums to join here, because we had less immature jerks and more people with whom we had a history, and it was a great time, it was a real community. Most of those people i will never team with in game, will never meet at a con(i hate travel and i dont see a convention hitting johnstown) but we could hang out and chat up the latest game we were playing when news on the game was kind of slight. All coh all the time..great, the main boards are generally a screaming contest of which people who have been in the ongoing process of quitting for 7 years now and desperately think we wish to know their reason for leaving this week. Its old, i barley can stand the general boards anymore. The community was IMMENSELY better back when it was a fun hang out place to discuss what you enjoyed.
In a better forum we would be having a fun discussion about how far many of us were in dark souls, instead, we can scream at each other more about whether street justice has a big enough aoe, that really helped us?
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It'd be awesome if Street Justice was like Batman: Arkham Asylum's fight mechanics... too bad we can't say that... or can we? After thinking about it I think we can... still not sure though.
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
In a better forum we would be having a fun discussion about how far many of us were in dark souls, instead, we can scream at each other more about whether street justice has a big enough aoe, that really helped us?
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Actually you'd need to phrase it like this:
"It'd be awesome if Street Justice was more fluid in the movements, making the attacks seem to flow into the other. Also, if we could somehow have the Ai react to the attacks in a more..."
Which does nothing to get your actual point across. Going out of our way to describe a system or method of doing something in another game without talking about that game shouldn't be needed. It wasn't needed for 5+ years.
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it'd be fun to see them try to prove that having dedicated discussions to other games has caused them to lose more money than...lets say, ED/GDN or PvP 2.0.
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Just want to say, very respectfully, that I think this is a very bad/foolish decision.
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
Hi folks, allow me to clarify some things on this rule. The rule can be boiled down very simply to:
No dedicated discussion of games outside of City of Heroes, and limited discussion of other NCsoft games. What does "dedicated discussion" mean? This means that threads created specifically for discussing another game are prohibited; e.g., "New Game X comes out this fall," "General MMO/RTS/FPS/insert genre here thread," "How do I beat the boss in X game," etc. Dedicated discussion also includes lengthy discussions of another game in unrelated threads. Other games can be mentioned in passing provided they are not competing products. In addition, comparing/constrasting any game(s) with City of Heroes is prohibited. Basically the rule has been modified to allow players to mention other games, so long as they do not discuss them. So you can make a reference to game X, or say you're playing game Y, as long as you don't go into lengthy discussion and/or create a thread specifically about it. Hope that clears everything up! |
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All they are doing is loosening the restriction. It was against the rules to even mention the name of one before, now we can at least name them, we just can't discuss them.
Still don't agree with it, still want it reversed, I don't want to see the misconception that this is new spread though.
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Well, the addition of board games, pen and paper games, and the like to the verboten list more than makes the loosening to the mentioning of them not quite worth it. One step forward, two steps back...
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Made over a year ago...
All they are doing is loosening the restriction. It was against the rules to even mention the name of one before, now we can at least name them, we just can't discuss them. Still don't agree with it, still want it reversed, I don't want to see the misconception that this is new spread though. |
I have this awesome Connect 4 strategy but now you'll never know it!
yeah...we can't even mention our old DnD paper and pencil stories, one of my favorite old threads was the one where you detail how your party screws up or succeeds in a spectacular fashion.
Can we atleast have Paper and pencil RPGs, Board games and Card games off the verboten list?
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We had a pen and paper RPG thread before. |
Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
yeah...we can't even mention our old DnD paper and pencil stories, one of my favorite old threads was the one where you detail how your party screws up or succeeds in a spectacular fashion.
Can we atleast have Paper and pencil RPGs, Board games and Card games off the verboten list? |
Please keep in mind that the rule mainly applies to video games. If you really want to discuss Connect 4 strategies...
It's easy. All you have to do is make 4 in a row!
I also have a master strategy for tic-tac-toe.
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Have you ever taken on the chicken in New York City's Chinatown? You can only claim your tic-tac-toe strategy is a "master strategy" if you can defeat the chicken.
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Originally Posted by Frostbiter
I also have a master strategy for tic-tac-toe.
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Which is it? Video games only or every game? You say, "mainly applies" which means its not just video games. You're giving conflicting messages here.
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
We had a pen and paper RPG thread before.
Please keep in mind that the rule mainly applies to video games. If you really want to discuss Connect 4 strategies... |
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So candy land...
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
We had a pen and paper RPG thread before.
Please keep in mind that the rule mainly applies to video games. If you really want to discuss Connect 4 strategies... |
The rule is, "no dedicated discussion and/or comparing/contrasting City of Heroes Freedom™ with other video games," and "no discussion of competing products."
give me back the old forums Beaststyle 
Like having a thread talking about Candyland getting you hooked on gaming, which brought you to this game, will make everyone that reads it rush off and play hours upon hours of board games instead of this one.
Furthermore, this seems to be an addition to the rule, as I could've sworn it was a blanket rule covering Video Games specifically, and that PnP and board games etc were still allowed...
That means no D&D talk, no WH40k talk (but the books are still ok /facepalm), no LARPing talk, no tic-tac-toe strategies, nothing that could ever be construed as a "game". I imagine hopscotch and jump roping would be verboten as well, since, "game" and all.
But hey, win for them right? It just cost a community a lot of people.