What's with all the attitude....?


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Well again, I haven't seen it myself but my wife and my best friend both have told me they've been on the receiving end of some needless attitude so that is why I even brought it up. We're all here to have fun and enjoy the game and yes, with Freedom's launch, we've had a major influx of new players. I myself normally play on Freedom, and its nice to come to Exalted to avoid the major lag there. I just think we shouldn't treat anyone differently because they may not know what to do or where to go, etc, etc.
I never either had lag on Freedom (even on my old Core duo mac mini, now I have a new one but did everything fine on the old one) or saw anything you mentioned on Exalted. Of course neither have you, you are 'taking a stand for the poor people who spread rumors'.


 

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Hmm, I wonder if the name Captain Assumption is already taken?


 

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I've seen a few different things that have frustrated me.

First, there are some people who just refuse to try something a new way. Lots of captains all in the same boat.

Second there are others who insist that their way is the ONLY way and screw anything else. I had one of my worst experiences ever on a trial when the Leader started attacking the league for not following his direction to the letter. He really showed his !@# to everyone in the league and I doubt most of us will ever choose to follow him anywhere ever again.

Last was an experience with one of the main channel Operators. I didn't even know who he was at the time but he thought it would just be so funny to come offer me a trade, stack 10 hamis in the window and ask if I would hold them while he alted. I said sure no problem. Then he canceled the trade and proceeded to mock me and brag about how his HO's were worth 6 Billion inf. I just laughed at him and gave him a one star. I was shocked when I joined one of the big server channels and saw that he had set the MOTD. People like that, who act like that, will give this server a bad rap very quickly.

If I had been a new player those two negative experiences would have really turned me off to this server. Fortunately I'd already found plenty of other folks here who are nice as could be.

I do like that the PL and market spam is being nipped in the bud quickly in the global channels. Nothings worse than putting together a TF around PL beggers.


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I've seen a few different things that have frustrated me.

First, there are some people who just refuse to try something a new way. Lots of captains all in the same boat.
There are many different players from many different servers, all with their own different strategies to do TF's and Trials, and all with their own opinion as to what works best.

The one rule I always follow when joining a group is this: If I'm not the one who put the team together, then it's not my place to lead or to question the leader's strategies.

If I think a leader is being a jerk to the team, then I have no qualms about just leaving the group and finding something better to do. When things go sour I will offer advice, but only if I have experience with the task at hand and a reasonable new strategy to try.

I've done quite a few iTrials on Exalted the past few nights, BAF's and Lam's. They were all new to me 3 nights ago, so I tried to ask strategy questions before entering the trial. That way I could get some sort of grasp on what I'd be up against, where I'd need to go, even when facing the unknown(to me). Every time the leaders were good about explaining not only how we'd be doing things, but why we'd be doing them. So far I've a blast, through successes and failures alike, I've had nothing but a good time and can give nothing but props to those who have led me through them.


 

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The one rule I always follow when joining a group is this: If I'm not the one who put the team together, then it's not my place to lead or to question the leader's strategies.
I use this method too. There are lots of ways to skin a cat. But if we all start in on different methods, we'll end up with shredded cat. For convenience's sake, I let the person with the start do the picking. IT's just quicker and easier than having a discussion and/or vote for every PUG.

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If I think a leader is being a jerk to the team, then I have no qualms about just leaving the group and finding something better to do.
Last team I quit when I wasn't logging out, I quit because the leader was threatening to kick people. Mind you everything was going well enough. He(?) just kept tacking that threat on to the instructions he was giving us.
I just said that I was going to go and do something else for a while and quit.


 

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I have, PERSONALLY, seen quite a bit of this. But I have also played for nearly 70 hours so far, mostly in groups, from 1-50. :P

It's not as widespread as the OP would lead you to believe. I hear a lot of it second-hand, like people posting in help like "OMG THIS GUY IS BEIN RUDE" but I think most of those people are actually trolls since they also seem to rage out when people attempt to help them.


Generally the attitude has been very positive, even moreso than any other server I've been on.


The server does, however, have a large ratio of newer players, and many people are intolerant of this, they are of the opinion "THIS IS THE VIP SERVER, I AM VIP!" as to why so many newer players picked up this server, I can't say for sure. Perhaps they wanted to team with experienced players who are also making alts, but I have seen players chewed out for not knowing what "those enhancement thingies" are, and when I first started, somebody seriously and horribly raged at somebody who didn't know about the badges in the sewer trial, and killed a vahz, along the lines of "THEY DONT EVEN GIVE EXP WTF" without ever having mentioned anything about a badge, or even really said anything, prior to that outburst.

So, pretty much what others have said - it's that they feel entitled to group with people who need no explanations about anything, ever, and instantly know how to do things their way - they're little hate machines who need something to hate. If not one thing, it'll be another.

Some people just don't understand that so long as everybody follows the plan and it gets done in a reasonable amount of time, there's not really a WRONG way of doing it. Like, don't quit a group because somebody doesn't want to kill GW first. Yes I've seen that.

Can't count the amount of times I've heard, "WE DO IT RIGHT ON FREEDOM," on that note.


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First, there are some people who just refuse to try something a new way. Lots of captains all in the same boat.

Second there are others who insist that their way is the ONLY way and screw anything else. I had one of my worst experiences ever on a trial when the Leader started attacking the league for not following his direction to the letter. He really showed his !@# to everyone in the league and I doubt most of us will ever choose to follow him anywhere ever again.
I can't help but wonder if that was me (Frank Horrigan) in my defense, I have yet to lead a failed trial, even with no incarnate powers on the league whatsoever. CG to all of you new folk!

with that said, I give people ample time to interject their own strategies (and even ask for them) and as you say - lots of captains in the same boat. There should be one captain (the LEADER) and you should do it his way, if you disagree, mention it to him but do not interject other strategies or commands, contrary to the leader's wish, as things are happening. This leads to simply confusing people, which is never good. With that said if something he plans is obviously going to fail, and you notice that it is, go ahead and correct the issue you see personally. If, however, everybody attempts to lead on a trial with 3 actual incarnates, it's going to fail, and thus has been in my experience.

Couldn't have said it better than this guy, though:
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There are many different players from many different servers, all with their own different strategies to do TF's and Trials, and all with their own opinion as to what works best.

The one rule I always follow when joining a group is this: If I'm not the one who put the team together, then it's not my place to lead or to question the leader's strategies.

If I think a leader is being a jerk to the team, then I have no qualms about just leaving the group and finding something better to do. When things go sour I will offer advice, but only if I have experience with the task at hand and a reasonable new strategy to try.

I've done quite a few iTrials on Exalted the past few nights, BAF's and Lam's. They were all new to me 3 nights ago, so I tried to ask strategy questions before entering the trial. That way I could get some sort of grasp on what I'd be up against, where I'd need to go, even when facing the unknown(to me). Every time the leaders were good about explaining not only how we'd be doing things, but why we'd be doing them. So far I've a blast, through successes and failures alike, I've had nothing but a good time and can give nothing but props to those who have led me through them.


-Proud leader of Captain Planet's Magical Friends

 

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I can't help but wonder if that was me (Frank Horrigan) in my defense, I have yet to lead a failed trial, even with no incarnate powers on the league whatsoever. CG to all of you new folk!

with that said, I give people ample time to interject their own strategies (and even ask for them) and as you say - lots of captains in the same boat. There should be one captain (the LEADER) and you should do it his way, if you disagree, mention it to him but do not interject other strategies or commands, contrary to the leader's wish, as things are happening. This leads to simply confusing people, which is never good. With that said if something he plans is obviously going to fail, and you notice that it is, go ahead and correct the issue you see personally. If, however, everybody attempts to lead on a trial with 3 actual incarnates, it's going to fail, and thus has been in my experience.
No, it wasn't you. I expect a little bit from any trial leader working with a new group of people. On this particular Lam the leader called for the guns after the street. No problem, its how I do it as well. When the "group" ignored him and went through the door and started clearing the mob he started yelling about leaving the door shut. It was a downhill slide from there.


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I admit it I haven't been on much but only rude I saw was griefers that specifically nuked any chance of the badges on the sewer trial. I think I might have been rude back at a Brute that purposely nuked the Lost leader before the minions(before the first minion even finished going down) since at that point I was on the point of begging since I wanted out of constantly running the sewers to get said badges and had already leveled to 16 from sewers and I'd specifically mentioned the badges at the start of the run every time since we had certain staff bragging on the badges their teams were getting. Still those exist on every server mo ,ore no less just 5 hours straight sewer make Fainche a grumpy girl.


 

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No, it wasn't you. I expect a little bit from any trial leader working with a new group of people. On this particular Lam the leader called for the guns after the street. No problem, its how I do it as well. When the "group" ignored him and went through the door and started clearing the mob he started yelling about leaving the door shut. It was a downhill slide from there.
Ahha! You know I think I may have actually been on that one, or one similar.

I do remember a run where people were essentially ragequitting for that reason, but it wasn't because the leader threatened to kick them, it was another one of those, "We do it the right way on Freedom," moments.

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I admit it I haven't been on much but only rude I saw was griefers that specifically nuked any chance of the badges on the sewer trial.
Ahha! Yes I have seen this as well, there was a Stalker that I grouped up with twice, who ignored people attempting to explain the badges to him - on the vahz boss, he always killed a minion (on a STALKER? .. use that strike on the boss!) and then went on the boss, and he'd use a bunch of reds and just pummel the Lost boss, next. I called him a troll on the second run after seeing that and he said "lol" and that was it.

I can understand people killing a minion via Disintegration but single-target damage like that? And it's not like he didn't already know, it was his routine to kill a vahz minion, and then ignore minions on The Lost - no reason for that unless you're causing grief. >_<


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ok.. so Ya.

I saw something that irked me. We had a hami raid today and a person decided that since they raid all the time and know whats up that they didnt have to participate with the rest of us and pref to sit on safe rock and dictate it was being done wrong bla bla bla.


Listen.. we're all from a differnt serever and have our own ways of doing things.. I get it. However. Wouldnt the considerate thing be to follow the direction that is being given by the person hosting the event? If you've done them so many times and know whats up, why dont you take it upon yourself and perhaps lead 1 yourself and then you can direct us.

We did some teaming tonight with players from a couple other servers and it was fun seeing how they do it. I think we all learned a new trick or 2.

Get over yourselves those of you that are being sassy punks.


 

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We had a hami raid today and a person decided that since they raid all the time and know whats up that they didnt have to participate with the rest of us and pref to sit on safe rock and dictate it was being done wrong bla bla bla.
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Get over yourselves those of you that are being sassy punks.
At least have the courtesy to vacate the zone so someone who wants to contribute can.


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'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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Spreading rumors in 2011?



I sure hope you guys don't do this.


 

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For my experience, this has been the best server I have played on. I am a mostly solo melee player, but I have been making several ranged support characters since playing on this server. The pick ups groups I have been in have been so much fun I can't wait till the next random group.


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I'm new to CoH and chose exalted because I anticipated the least lag there, no other reason.

There definitely are a few unpleasant people, and people assume you automatically know what you're doing (as so far the assumption is VIP = veteran). People have been relatively helpful towards me when I ask one of my many, many questions in the help channel, however.
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Like some other replies have stated it's all about an elitist attitude. You get the title "VIP" and suddenly you're da sh*t. I guess though that I'm one of the lucky few who catch both sides of it. Early in the morning there are a lot of really helpful and nice people. As the day wears on however, the "baddies" as I'll call them start coming on to play. I created my account in 2006 and have been playing on and off over the years so I've had some catching up to do at times. And even still over the last 2 months I've gotten mixed replies on my questions, even on Guardian I get them on the help channel. I really am thinking of starting a vlog describing how not to be a ***** to people who need help in MMO's, starting with rule number 1, don't hang out in the help channel.

As for getting to people asking for farms, I don't know what that's about. I myself have altitis and have gotten burnt out on the starting content even from GR. But I saw on Exalted that people were yelling and cussing about the fact that they didn't want Exalted to become the next Freedom.


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Ok I confess it was me. Yep laid the smack down on the begging for AE farms this morning. Told them to go to Freedom why ruin 2 servers. Beg and PL there then when you're ready to play transfer your toon here. Got the standard its my $15 buck a month yada yada yada. Well we all know the rant. Any way as far as people go and play this server is by far the best COH has to offer right now. Have been having fun teaming in pugs, tf's and building a new sg. Best of all no RMT spammers. And if the OP thinks this server has attitude best not step foot on Freedom I'm sure they will make you cry yourself to sleep.


 

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Ok I confess it was me. Yep laid the smack down on the begging for AE farms this morning. Told them to go to Freedom why ruin 2 servers. Beg and PL there then when you're ready to play transfer your toon here.
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Ahha! You know I think I may have actually been on that one, or one similar.

I do remember a run where people were essentially ragequitting for that reason, but it wasn't because the leader threatened to kick them, it was another one of those, "We do it the right way on Freedom," moments.

I've only played lightly on Exalted but I have a different take on this situation as I have experienced it on other servers, from the position you're speaking against. Just to be fair, quitting a league because you don't want to put up with wasting time street sweeping/taking out turrets in a Lambda (as opposed to just clearing around the building and going in) isn't something I would file under "superiority." The fact is that Incarnate trials feel like a bit of a grind for a lot of people who are just trying to build t4's and have played the trials to death already. Now, many of those people (myself included) join leagues for the purpose of finishing as quickly and efficiently as possible.

It is a bit of a difficult situation, because that can be perceived as "elitism" for new players who are still getting to know the trials, but for others it's seen as a waste of time that, if it weren't wasted, could overall lead to being able to get another trial or two in for the day and maximize reward opportunities.

For a lot of us,even doing trials efficiently can feel like a grind without the hassle of shaking your fist at the screen every time someone wants to kill turrets during Lambda, or spread out to each door during BAF's escaped prisoners because they don't understand how choke points work. This might be misinterpreted as a feeling of superiority, but I think the feeling of frustration/short tempers is a pretty reasonable thing in a lot of cases.


 

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short tempers is a pretty reasonable thing
I don't think this is ever true.


'I don't like the look of it at all,' said the King: 'however, it may kiss my hand if it likes.'
'I'd rather not,' the Cat remarked.
'Don't be impertinent,' said the King, 'and don't look at me like that!' He got behind Alice as he spoke.
'A cat may look at a king,' said Alice.

 

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I'm writing this post to try and figure out what's the deal with all this crap @$$ attitude going on this server? I've been hearing it from several people I play with and random players that the general attitude of this server is just plain rude and at some times, down right out of line.

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I myself have personally not encountered any of this but I'm just taking a stand for those that are. Enough of the foolishness folks. Its just a game and if you weren't aware, everything we do in this game is recorded so I'd hate to hear someone got banned for being reported because it can and it will happen.
MY editing is above. I'm sure many read these 2 portions of the OP's thread starter... As you can see, this comes from folks whining to the OP and complaining about stuff that, as far as I have seen, exists in small amounts.
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I started on exalted, because it was a chance for me to get a name or two that I actually liked for my characters.
Reason I started playing on Exalted? More character slots... Got the ONE name I wanted... Seemed like the thing to do with the CoH:F brand spanking new launch; go to the brand spanking new server.


 

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I don't think this is ever true.

Well that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. Ideally I would agree with you, in a perfect world where the strategy offered by your fearless league leader during an Underground Trial isn't "U HAV 2 YELL IF U SEE A GIANT ROBOT WE HAV 2 KILL IT OR WE FAIL"

I think it's completely reasonable to become annoyed/disenchanted/grumpy with a league (especially one where the majority of the participants are perfectly content with this caliber of leadership- And yes, this is something I've personally experienced.)


 

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I've only played lightly on Exalted but I have a different take on this situation as I have experienced it on other servers, from the position you're speaking against. Just to be fair, quitting a league because you don't want to put up with wasting time street sweeping/taking out turrets in a Lambda (as opposed to just clearing around the building and going in) isn't something I would file under "superiority." The fact is that Incarnate trials feel like a bit of a grind for a lot of people who are just trying to build t4's and have played the trials to death already. Now, many of those people (myself included) join leagues for the purpose of finishing as quickly and efficiently as possible.

It is a bit of a difficult situation, because that can be perceived as "elitism" for new players who are still getting to know the trials, but for others it's seen as a waste of time that, if it weren't wasted, could overall lead to being able to get another trial or two in for the day and maximize reward opportunities.

For a lot of us,even doing trials efficiently can feel like a grind without the hassle of shaking your fist at the screen every time someone wants to kill turrets during Lambda, or spread out to each door during BAF's escaped prisoners because they don't understand how choke points work. This might be misinterpreted as a feeling of superiority, but I think the feeling of frustration/short tempers is a pretty reasonable thing in a lot of cases.
I know how choke points work, but I personally prefer having the BAF league spread out to each door. It's simpler, and less error prone, imo.


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I know how choke points work, but I personally prefer having the BAF league spread out to each door. It's simpler, and less error prone, imo.

Maybe it's just a matter of experience but I have yet to be on a league that attempted to cover all the doors and still pick up Not On My Watch... Whereas leagues who understand how to be at choke points never have any escapes.


 

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Maybe it's just a matter of experience but I have yet to be on a league that attempted to cover all the doors and still pick up Not On My Watch... Whereas leagues who understand how to be at choke points never have any escapes.
My experience has been the exact opposite. Very few leagues I've been on where we covered the doors had escaped prisoners, while leagues where we set up choke points had a flood of 'em.


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