CERN: Speed of Light possibly broken
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Posted on: 2011-09-22 13:07 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Ok, seriously, what is with Quantum Mechanics?
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I could answer that, but then you wouldn't know how fast Quantum Mechanics is going anymore.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
Ok, seriously, what is with Quantum Mechanics?
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Goodbye, I guess.
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I have learned a very basic way of understanding all of Quantum Mechanics: "Everything you know is wrong." It's served me well so far.
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Originally Posted by _Klaw_
Ok, seriously, what is with Quantum Mechanics?
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wibbly wobbly quantumey wumey...stuff.
That is...neat.
Hopefully it really is what it seems to be and won't just end up as "Oops, we didn't really break it. Just a data error." a few months down the line.
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Cool and all. But other experiments have show in the past that using waveguides (in one form or another) can allow this sort of thing.
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Originally Posted by McNum
If there's one rule that's true, it's that NOTHING moves faster than light.
Source: Associated Press via Forbes Except for a neutrino traveling from Geneva to Italy 60 nanoseconds faster than light. In an experiment with a 10 nanosecond margin of error. CERN calls for aid in reproducing the experiment after spending several months confirming that, yes, they did measure what they think they did. If this turns out to be verified, then wow. This is that one barrier that shouldn't be breachable, yet... I hope that this checks out. No clue what practical use it might have, but for now, it's the Lightspeed Barrier that's being challenged and that's awesome enough on its own. |
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It really shouldn't be:
"Hey, can you come check our results that show a particle going faster than light?"
But rather...
"Hey, we measured something going fast than light, can you come to find out how are observations were off?"
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Including everything you learn within Quantum Mechanics (whether that's been discovered yet or not).|
Originally Posted by McNum
I have learned a very basic way of understanding all of Quantum Mechanics: "Everything you know is wrong." It's served me well so far.
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Honestly, I laugh every time humans talk about absolute rules (and often times cringe as well).
Don't get me wrong, it is through many of these theories - turned rules - turned foundations for further exploration/experimentation - that has led to a great many achievements and discoveries, which is fascinating...
However, people get so ahead of themselves in believing in that rule that they've made up because they haven't discovered any way to disprove it yet.
These rules are tools to try and explore things farther.
However, and many have, you must constantly recheck these rules and see if it is time to bring things back to formula, so to speak, hehe.
Anyway... fun stuff.
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Of course. In Quantum Mechanics we have laws of physics that change depending on if it's being observed or not. That just messes with my mind. And that's the easy parts of it.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Including everything you learn within Quantum Mechanics (whether that's been discovered yet or not).
Honestly, I laugh every time humans talk about absolute rules (and often times cringe as well). Don't get me wrong, it is through many of these theories - turned rules - turned foundations for further exploration/experimentation - that has led to a great many achievements and discoveries, which is fascinating... However, people get so ahead of themselves in believing in that rule that they've made up because they haven't discovered any way to disprove it yet. These rules are tools to try and explore things farther. However, and many have, you must constantly recheck these rules and see if it is time to bring things back to formula, so to speak, hehe. Anyway... fun stuff. |
The fun thing is, if this checks out, do you know which formula we're gong back to? "E=mc^2" Back to basics indeed.
But going public with this before it's been independently verified is a risk. They might be wrong, but one things for sure. Anyone with the machines needed to replicate this will do so now. It's quite the gamble, but if it checks out, it'll be huge.
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Dammit, now all I can picture is the sun shaking it's fist at CERN and yelling "You break my record, now I break you, like I break your friend", right before it swallows Mercury.
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From the guy at CERN who used to work on the Mars orbiter mission team:|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
That is...neat.
Hopefully it really is what it seems to be and won't just end up as "Oops, we didn't really break it. Just a data error." a few months down the line. |
Sorry. Our speed calculations were measuring the distance from Geneva to Italy in kilometers and not miles.
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Thing is, this isn't making stuff travel effectively faster than c, this is measuring something travelling faster than c which shouldn't be. Not by much, I grant you, but *anything* going faster than light (in a given medium, without "cheating") is a major change to our understanding of physics as a whole.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Cool and all. But other experiments have show in the past that using waveguides (in one form or another) can allow this sort of thing.
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We're only off by about a hundred years... 
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...or 200
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Cool. I shall be eagerly watching for further developments from this story.
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The neutrinos have mutated!
But seriously, I hope it isn't a mistake and that the news came out to fast before they could test it properly.
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You gotta remember, it's relativistic and deals with quarks and neutrinos and...|
Originally Posted by Starflier
...or 200
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If true, then it opens up the possibility of realtime interplanetary and maybe even realtime interstellar communications. Although, there is no use for the technology at the moment if we don't have people on other planets or aliens communicating directly with us. It looks like such communication would be similar to laser communication so unless a beam of accelerated neutrinos is directed towards us, then no communication can occur.
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Sweet, Alpha Centauri here we come!
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Still, SETI could use this to try improving it's listening tech, as I always doubted that aliens were chatting with each other with HAMs.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
If true, then it opens up the possibility of realtime interplanetary and maybe even realtime interstellar communications. Although, there is no use for the technology at the moment if we don't have people on other planets or aliens communicating directly with us. It looks like such communication would be similar to laser communication so unless a beam of accelerated neutrinos is directed towards us, then no communication can occur.
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Oh if only we could.....|
Originally Posted by Inazuma
Sweet, Alpha Centauri here we come!
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But we have many problems to deal with before we reach for the stars like that.
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That is based under the assumption that alien races use this technology and have the desire to communicate with others. There might be different stages of technology and each civilization progresses to the next one after they discover it. So the amount of time that an alien race uses a specific technology is limited to maybe a few hundred years at the most for primitive technologies like radio and neutrino.|
Originally Posted by Scythus
Still, SETI could use this to try improving it's listening tech, as I always doubted that aliens were chatting with each other with HAMs.
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Of course, there is always the possibility that we are constantly being monitored and when we reach interstellar communication, then aliens will contact us.
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If there's one rule that's true, it's that NOTHING moves faster than light.
The readings have so astounded researchers that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements before claiming an actual discovery.
Except for a neutrino traveling from Geneva to Italy 60 nanoseconds faster than light. In an experiment with a 10 nanosecond margin of error. CERN calls for aid in reproducing the experiment after spending several months confirming that, yes, they did measure what they think they did.
If this turns out to be verified, then wow. This is that one barrier that shouldn't be breachable, yet... I hope that this checks out. No clue what practical use it might have, but for now, it's the Lightspeed Barrier that's being challenged and that's awesome enough on its own.
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