Feedback: "Who Will Die?" Part 1

Funny you should say that... I just did a mission where I couldn't find the last rescue. It was in First Ward. On an office map I have run thousands of times. One of the smaller rooms has a balcony around with stairs leading down. There's usually a planter of trees in the center at the bottom, along with mobs. Along the balcony, there's a door with stairs that go up to a single room. In 7 years of playing, there has never been anything in that room upstairs. Lo, that's where my last rescue was located.

The maps have become very formulaic. As players, many of us have become complacent and don't check things because we "know" what's there/not there. I'm hoping this is a sign of the dev's mixing things up a little.

It is a bit un-intuitive, especially for a new player, but if you click the "Team" tab on top of your chat window you will get the button to quit the task force. (I'm not certain of the exact wording, but I am pretty sure it is close to that.)

Extra reward? Not really. Something of a story easter-egg. Nothing important, or needed for this arc.
Mechanically, there is nothing wrong with just letting the timer run out.

I think you can also use /leaveteam

There are a couple of story easter eggs getting out in time. If you get to the real exit very fast (hero side), you can witness a conversation that adds some to the story. I think on villain side, if you get to the exit fast enough, there's a chest you can click on for some added info.

You can quit a TF in the Team tab.


You are explicitly told what to do: find the exit before the timer runs out.



Next time try dragging him into the lava. ANY map with lava on it contains an I Win button for the player.

In the same way you toss someone in the deep end of a pool and instruct them to drown less. The instructions fail in that mission is that your objective is not nearly as explicit in telling you HOW to find the exit when the thing you thought was the exist doesn't work any more.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

But of course, in this case, that is precisely the point.

This game goes overboard in letting you know how to do things.

Even when it is not hand waved in the text, you magically know the proximate location of your next obective, the next Contact, which boxes to check, that last guard you missed on your way to the back of the defeat all (thanks devs), the last glowie, the exact place to place those bombs/runes/candles etc.

This is good and fun.

But it is also good and fun to have the occaisional mission where the point is actually to find the thing you are supposed to find.

Some players are into that. Some players are into that sometimes.

I'm not sure if an explicit paid product was the place for this mechanic, but there is nothing wrong with its' occaional use, along with: defend the object objectives, escort missions, chase the npc objectives, avoid the patrols, and various other things besides "defeat that guy".

I will toss in a vote in favor of adding a sorely needed "Rocks fall, everyone dies" animation, along with an appropriate amount of damage (and a badge with that title, and even a cut scene [preferably lavishly rendered] with BABs digging you out of the rubble, and...)

True enough. I entered the mission and all I can see in my field of view is 3 goons fighting each other, and a chasm room that I've seen a hundred times before.

Every time I've done this mission, I just pop an Oro portal at the end and hop out. That is the same tactic I use for every mission that says 'find the exit' at the end, so it never even dawned on me to look for an exit.

How do you Usually find something of which you don't know the exact location?

You look around you.


It's not like failing the mission fails the TF, or restricts the rewards you receive at the end, or that you can't repeat the mission. So complaints about how we aren't handheld through every minute of it strike me as whiny.

Yeah I know that now, but nothing in-game tells you that, I didn't even know TFs showed up on the team tab.

Yes, you're told explicitly what to do, not where to do it at. There's a complete difference between the two there. My first instinct the very first time I played was to search the large chamber you're in. When that yielded nothing I went back to the entrance and found it blocked (and ran out of time). Now I know where to go, but my first play through this was not obvious at all.

Actually just ran this last night with a friend. They *really* need to bump the bonus time up for defeating the mobs even just an additional 15 seconds, trying to take them down for the time we still found it would've been better to just run past them for all the good it did.

Noted, though the run last night we creamed him. Like I said in my post, for this character I really was just underleveled and needed some of the better powers to be able to take the guy on.