Uses for Burnout?


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Well when I heard about the power I thought it was something that people had been asking for for ages but it was considered "too powerful." Then we finally get it, and I started wondering what to do with it. Then I started realizing most buffs have a don't-stack rule, and started wondering if there's really anything that would be dramatically better with the ability to double cast something. Plus it only works on primary/secondary powers, not epics, pools, or temps.

Has anyone figured out any really GOOD uses for Burnout? To justify taking the powers and the endurance hit.

EDIT: Meant to put this under archetypes and powers. Whoops.


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Adrenalin Boost?

For bonus points, the detriments of Burnout are basically negated by the Recovery Aura that gets recharged, too.


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Has anyone figured out any really GOOD uses for Burnout? To justify taking the powers and the endurance hit.
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I haven't actually had the chance to play with it yet, but it seems to me that Burnout could have been made for Controllers (and, by extension, Dominators). Cast your single-target hold, then your multi-target hold…then Burnout and cast them both again? Burnout could have been made for holding archvillains.

Any class who has extremely powerful powers that take a long time to recharge could get a benefit, when you get right down to it. If nothing else, you could pop Moment of Glory (or its equivalent for other melee defense sets) twice in a row for double the Tier 9 fun.


 

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Nuke-Burnout-Nuke? Depending on your nuke's crash, of course.


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Nuke-Burnout-Nuke? Depending on your nuke's crash, of course.
Nuke-blue insp-Conserve Power-Burnout-Nuke. Even with the crash.

Don't see the need to double stack my AoE holds though, as they are often enough to do the job with my other powers lending support.

In AV situations though...


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Nuke-Burnout-Nuke? Depending on your nuke's crash, of course.
I don't see that as very useful. First nuke would kill all the minions and nearly defeat lieutenants (if not defeat outright). If you're going to pop enough blues to get enough end to use Burnout and nuke again you may as well just do regular AoEs and finish off the lieutenants. Then all you have left is bosses and it's not worth nuking on a boss. And using nuke on EBs or AVs is also a waste.

Unless the plan is just to nuke two spawns in a row, but then you're dealing with the crashes of a nuke and Burnout, and you already used blues (and you'd need to use 2-3 just to be able to use Burnout and nuke again).


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I only plan on taking Burnout on one character, my Spines/Regen Scrapper, to get Instant Healing up more often. Her endurance bar doesn't move all that much anyway, so it's no huge loss to my endurance.


 

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I only plan on taking Burnout on one character, my Spines/Regen Scrapper, to get Instant Healing up more often. Her endurance bar doesn't move all that much anyway, so it's no huge loss to my endurance.
^^^This. I plan on getting it for all the toons with Gawd mode powers. Being able to restart unstoppable, elude and others right after the crash is going to be pretty sweet. The end penalty is pretty much negated since those powers grant a recovery bonus anyways except for the 20 second downtime on Elude.


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What's the best recharge time you can get on Burnout?


 

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Off the top of my head Warshades seem to get some use from this. They could do Eclipse > Mire > AOE > Nuke > Pop a Blue > Stygian Circle > Raise Fluffy > Burnout > Raise another fluffy and change into the next spawn ready for another Mire-nuke combo.


 

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What's the best recharge time you can get on Burnout?
6 min at the recharge cap.


 

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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius View Post
Nuke-blue insp-Conserve Power-Burnout-Nuke. Even with the crash.

Don't see the need to double stack my AoE holds though, as they are often enough to do the job with my other powers lending support.

In AV situations though...
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I don't see that as very useful. First nuke would kill all the minions and nearly defeat lieutenants (if not defeat outright). If you're going to pop enough blues to get enough end to use Burnout and nuke again you may as well just do regular AoEs and finish off the lieutenants. Then all you have left is bosses and it's not worth nuking on a boss. And using nuke on EBs or AVs is also a waste.

Unless the plan is just to nuke two spawns in a row, but then you're dealing with the crashes of a nuke and Burnout, and you already used blues (and you'd need to use 2-3 just to be able to use Burnout and nuke again).
On steam-rolling teams, my plan would be to Blizzard, small blue, Power Sink, Burnout, Blizzard, small blue, Power Sink.

But I'm a crazy Blaster who loves to Nuke. As a matter of fact, I think I'll make an Energy/Electric Blaster to make using Nova more often possible, cuz I loves me some Nova.


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I think anything with SR would love it, you could almost have Perma Elude.


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Nuke-Burnout-Nuke? Depending on your nuke's crash, of course.
Seeing this makes my Green Machine Empath's drool, AB+Stacked Recovery Aura = what endurance issues ... and multi-nuked spawns.

Drooooool!

(assuming I'm understanding the inference of Burnout recharging ... things?)


 

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(assuming I'm understanding the inference of Burnout recharging ... things?)
By my understanding, Burnout causes every power in your Primary and Secondary powersets to recharge instantly, but has a long recharge time itself.


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Elude-Burnout-Elude will NOT work. The Elude 'no endurance recovery' debuff is flagged as superceding any other buff for its duration. You'd still need to pop blues like candy.

One With the Shield, Moment of Glory, Rain of Arrows, Strength of Will etc are better options. Biggest thing I can think of to take advantage of it is an x/Rad Corruptor or Defender, who gets a lot of 'nukes' - Nova, EMP, Fallout, Mutation, Burnout, Repeat could be fun in bad situations.


 

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By my understanding, Burnout causes every power in your Primary and Secondary powersets to recharge instantly, but has a long recharge time itself.
*Blink*

Wonders if Burnout would allow me to stack Recovery Aura and with Incarnate boosts pass the +1000% recovery point to overcome my nuke's penalty SOLO??! (without Geas of the Kind Ones)


 

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*Blink*

Wonders if Burnout would allow me to stack Recovery Aura and with Incarnate boosts pass the +1000% recovery point to overcome my nuke's penalty SOLO??! (without Geas of the Kind Ones)
Fiddling with Burnout on beta, I found that a lot of buffs are flagged to not stack with themselves, even ones that normally couldn't be stacked even if you were at the recharge cap. You might want to check and see if you can even have double Recovery Aura from yourself.


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My cold/ice defender might take it especially for TF's with multiple Av's

Being able 2 benumb 2 av's, multiple sleet, ice storm and 2 blizzard's going at once is nice especially with heat loss for end recovery and more debuff's.

I was on a LRSF awhile back with a cold corr we rushed the av's and pretty much did what I mentioned above with 2 toons and the AV's went down fast, will be nice to do this with 1 toon.


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