I need to apologise


Acemace

 

Posted

Funny preface: For how many months now I've been complaining about the game? 12-16? And now that I decide to finally sing its praises... The forums log me out and refuse to let me back in for two days. Is that a sign?

---

I've said some pretty harsh things about City of Heroes, and been quite uncompromising with the people who made it. Accusations of treating players like cattle have not been uncommon, and for a time I really did question City of Heroe's very immediate future. I've said a lot of disparaging things, some or a lot of which were probably not warranted. I want to take this opportunity to say:

I'm sorry about the things I said.

See, here's the thing: Last year around this time, I was angry at the game. A lot of things pissed me off, and to my biassed eyes, it didn't look like we'd get anything nice ever again. And yet over these last few weeks, I'm constantly catching myself giddy about this thing or about that thing, or about this possibility that may not even come to pass. Reflexively, I criticise most new additions before I even know what they are in full, simply because I fear that what I'm not seeing will be worse.

I've been promising to post an apology when Freedom is finally Live and I've played with it, but despite not having played thanks to server issues and time restraints and we're not "really" Live yet, I decided to advance this. Why? The Barbarian pack. When I saw the announcement from PAX (was it?), I feared the worst. Seeing the pack Live now... It's awesome! A lot of the things I've worried about sucking have turned out awesome in recent times, to the point where I'm starting to wonder what there is to worry about any more. What's the point in assuming the worst when the team has consistently delivered AT LEAST above average every time, and great all too often?

In my defence, I still feel the Incarnate system is evil and horrible and treats its players like cattle, but in the year since I preached doom, I've grown the ability to ignore the parts of the game I don't like and not see them as a sign of things to come. I apologise for ever having felt that in the first place, but the team deserves praise performing well enough to turn even my grumpy self around.

This may seem like a petty reason to be happy vs. angry, but lately it just seems that we're getting a lot of things we've asked about that may not always be the most efficient ways to addict players to the game. I don't know if this is pure altruism or a sign of a game model which seeks to pamper players as opposed to bogging them down in time sinks, but I like it regardless. There hasn't been a month for probably five years now that I haven't whined about weapons for women being too small, and all of a sudden we're waiting for Titanic Weapons. I've been hounding David for muscular women for how long now? But have you checked out the metal bra for women from the Barbarian pack? Yup, that one's muscular, and it's AWESOME! I'd have like to see it with shoulder straps, but I can work with this. Oh, man, can I work with this! Street Justice is (will be) awesome, I love the IDF set... There really is too much to list.

My point here is I apologise for making a big stink. I wanted to post a gushing review of the Barbarian set as soon as my login returned, but someone's already done this, and I figured an apology was more prudent. For what it's worth, I promise to stop assuming the worst possible outcome of any change and to look for the positive things in the game's future. Heavens knows we're getting a metric ton of cool content that I don't have the hours in the day (especially with daily maintenance) to explore. I'm already working on, what... Four? Five new characters or revamps of old ones. I honestly have nothing to complain about right now (yet, I'll think of something), and I'm not sure how to handle that


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

It takes a big man to apologize.

EDIT: Everything Aura said.


 

Posted

Personally I don't think you had anything to apologize for.

You stated that you didn't like the content they were releasing.

Since you often state when YOU DO LIKE what's being released I don't have an issue.

I never believed in this idea that you can ONLY praise or criticize an mmos' development team.

There's room for both.

As I've said before, MMOs should START to worry when players like you have no reaction at all. Positive or negative.


Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!

 

Posted

I agree with Aura


 

Posted

When I noticed that female Barbarian piece was sporting a muscular midriff, the first thing I thought was "I bet Sam'll be happy to see that!".


Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound

 

Posted

I call every issue (and Issue) as I see it. I praise the good and condemn the bad.

As a result I am alternately cast as a suck-up and a hater. I believe CuppaJo offered the definitive statement on this many years ago.


Current Blog Post: "Why I am an Atheist..."
"And I say now these kittens, they do not get trained/As we did in the days when Victoria reigned!" -- T. S. Eliot, "Gus, the Theatre Cat"

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenzhi View Post
When I noticed that female Barbarian piece was sporting a muscular midriff, the first thing I thought was "I bet Sam'll be happy to see that!".
I'd worry about being predictable, but I'm too gobsmacked by that costume piece to worry about anything at all That's actually the first or second Barbarian piece I saw the other day, so it's possible it started me on a positive leg. Even so, there really isn't anything "major" to complain about, be it with the set or with the Issue. Sure, technical problems abound, but that's to be expected with a major Issue release AND an expansion release AND a change to the game this big. I tend to joke with my friends about how the servers were offline for, like, 12 hours, but again - it's perfectly understandable.

I didn't actually go out looking for it, but it still surprises me there's this little to complain about, aside from known issues.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

I'm glad to hear you're enjoying the game again Sam.


The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.

 

Posted

My Minotaur is incredibly happy with the AWESOME shoulder plates and belt-chest details.

And oh-gods the sword. I. Love. That. Sword. I want to do a Vego Mortensen and walk around with it everwhere, it's that damn good.
And the best part?
The best part is it's damn big...and DOESN'T scale down to piddly size for Females. It still looks like something a fighter would pull out and makes their opponent promptly start checking their life insurance is up to date.

And they did add sensible female boots, too.
I love it. I love the Celestial pack (I regret NOTHING!) I love the IDF armour and all the other new stuff.

I agree with Sam and Aura pretty much


Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwillinger View Post
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain_Photon View Post
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
Personally I don't think you had anything to apologize for.
I don't and I do. It's true that to some extent we all like to complain about the things we don't like, and that's really just fine. As you say - no-one has to be brainwashed-happy about any game. On the other hand, I did kind of adopt a bad attitude, firmly believing that no matter how good a proposed addition was, the team would find some way to ruin it for me. It's a state of mind that I honestly hadn't had since the last days of Jack Emmert, when it seemed like the game was adding tons of cool stuff, all of them with some sinister catch that made them unusable for me.

I'm really not talking so much about conduct or "faith" as I am about not giving the game a fair chance. When something came out good, I saw it as an exception and when something came out bad, "I told you so!" There's being displeased with one change or one addition and then there's just being unfair, both to the game and to the people. And I wanted to apologise for being unfair.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aura_Familia View Post
As I've said before, MMOs should START to worry when players like you have no reaction at all. Positive or negative.
Slightly off-topic, but I actually agree with you completely. Sure, some of us do occasionally go overboard in our bitter criticisms, but at the end of the day, many of us get angry because we like the game. Speaking purely for myself, I don't really get upset about negative changes to things I don't care about. Take, for instance, Marty. Everyone seems to be up in arms about it, but since I really don't care about min/maxed gameplay, I don't care about Marty. The only times I get really, really upset is when I see something that I care about greatly either dismissed out of hand or implemented very badly. For instance, I jumped on the "Barbarian" bandwagon because - as the new chest stands to proof - I want bigger, bulkier, more masculine pieces for women, and the original PAX pics and what David said thereafter seemed to indicate that these would never be coming. THAT upset me, because that's something I really care about.

Complaints and criticisms are indeed just fine - within reason - for when people stop complaining altogether, it just means they don't care any more.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
I honestly have nothing to complain about right now (yet, I'll think of something), and I'm not sure how to handle that
A brave new frontier indeed ST. *wink*






 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim View Post
Wait really? Can I get a screenshot of that?
Err... No, unfortunately. I neglected to take a screenshot (costume isn't done) and the servers are down for the next four hours. I'll get you one as soon as I can log in, though.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow View Post
Complaints and criticisms are indeed just fine - within reason - for when people stop complaining altogether, it just means they don't care any more.
Agreed 100%.


It's now Issue 21 and I am back!
My new Global is @Zyhar
Currently enjoying the Exalted Server!

 

Posted

I'm happy with the Barbarian set because it offers a belt for female characters that doesn't clip horribly if the waist slider is above the median. :P


 

Posted

I personally think 80% of i21/Freedom is golden.

The costumes are great. The zones and zone changes are great. The new story arcs are great. Phasing has a lot of potential I hope they fully realize. I look forward to them continuing to revamp old enemy groups like they have the CoT. The Sewer trial is now a must for all lowbies. The new tutorial does its job and the interface and costume editor changes are welcome.

Buff/debuff sets do nothing for me personally, and I still don't see how Time Manip isn't conceptually just a rehash of Kinetics. I think the new travel powers could have been handled better, but I like that they've given City Traveler to everyone at last. Also, they need to get already bought items marked in the market and locked; NO ONE should be capable of buying something they already own under any circumstance.

But all the goodness doesn't excuse the Underground trial and Keyes before it.
Or how the devs continue to manage the melee AT situation and Tankers.



.


 

Posted

The only things I don't like are as follows:
-New tutorial is very short, and there doesn't seem to be an option for people who play with no sound. I didn't even realize there was a voiceover until I happened to play with the sound on last night.
-CoT wearing tights.
-New Atlas missions will get old quickly, they're pretty linear. That said, they ARE pretty cool.
-My computer sucks and I can't see how awesome Atlas Park looks now (not the game's fault, but it deserved a mention)
-The icons over the heads of contacts are kind of annoying. I can live with it, but I kind of wish there was an option to turn them off.

Pretty much everything else I'm anywhere from indifferent to elated about. I generally don't complain much, as I'm generally pretty happy with the game. I just figured I'd be fair and mention the things I see as flaws along with the unbridled awesome that is the stuff I like about it.

In my opinion, the devs pulled off a helluva feat this time around. They released something that the majority of players are happy with. I'm sure there are some sour grapes, but so far I haven't seen much doom on the boards.

Kudos, devs. You done good on this one!


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane View Post
I personally think 80% of i21/Freedom is golden.

The costumes are great. The zones and zone changes are great. The new story arcs are great. Phasing has a lot of potential I hope they fully realize. I look forward to them continuing to revamp old enemy groups like they have the CoT. The Sewer trial is now a must for all lowbies. The new tutorial does its job and the interface and costume editor changes are welcome.

Buff/debuff sets do nothing for me personally, and I still don't see how Time Manip isn't conceptually just a rehash of Kinetics. I think the new travel powers could have been handled better, but I like that they've given City Traveler to everyone at last. Also, they need to get already bought items marked in the market and locked; NO ONE should be capable of buying something they already own under any circumstance.

But all the goodness doesn't excuse the Underground trial and Keyes before it.
Or how the devs continue to manage the melee AT situation and Tankers.

.
Just about the only places I disagree with you are your last two sentences. (Actually, while I think they need to get the market cleaned up ASAP, you can't actually buy something you already own. Or at least if you can, it is a definite bug they need to know about.) I am afraid I am one of the weirdos that actually enjoy running Keyes when I have the time. I have only done the Underground Trial once, and it is mostly a slide show due to a very old computer, but it was a lot of fun for me.

If your last sentence is in reference to your old argument about more damage for tanks, well, let's not go there right now.

There are some specific things about the tutorial, training missions, and the popups that should be changed or fixed for brand new players, IMO. And some of the prices are still a bit high. But overall, a very nice start to a new era of COH.


Justice Blues, Tech/Tank, Inv/SS
----------------------
Fighting The Future Trilogy
----------------------

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
The only things I don't like are as follows:
-New tutorial is very short, and there doesn't seem to be an option for people who play with no sound. I didn't even realize there was a voiceover until I happened to play with the sound on last night.
-CoT wearing tights.
-New Atlas missions will get old quickly, they're pretty linear. That said, they ARE pretty cool.
-My computer sucks and I can't see how awesome Atlas Park looks now (not the game's fault, but it deserved a mention)
-The icons over the heads of contacts are kind of annoying. I can live with it, but I kind of wish there was an option to turn them off.
The voiceover stuff does show up in the the Cutscene Captions channel and either the Error or Rewards channel. You may not have the Cutscene channel on your characters if it was added after you started playing. I had to individually add it to all of my characters. But it will be there for all brand new players, so they can read what is being said.

I certainly agree about the new missions in AP. Both the Habashy arc and the Training Missions. There was a lot in the old set up that was annoying, but at least you generally had options once you got to level 5. Now you get to 7 or 8 and if you don't know about Radio missions, you are going to end up running the sewer until 10 for the next Twinshot. They need more options in that level range, and a definite introduction to the Radio missions.


Justice Blues, Tech/Tank, Inv/SS
----------------------
Fighting The Future Trilogy
----------------------

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by Justice Blues View Post
Actually, while I think they need to get the market cleaned up ASAP, you can't actually buy something you already own. Or at least if you can, it is a definite bug they need to know about.
I've heard several anecdotal cases of it happening so far, and they're being handled by support.

Beyond that, I'm pretty sure if you buy, say, three costume pieces from the Martial Arts pack a la carte, and then buy the bundled set, it will charge you full price for the bundle, arguably charging you twice for something you already own.


.


 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect View Post
In my opinion, the devs pulled off a helluva feat this time around. They released something that the majority of players are happy with. I'm sure there are some sour grapes, but so far I haven't seen much doom on the boards.
That's a good way of putting it. We're a pretty unpleasable fanbase around here, but even though there are a few people still left bitter, the overwhelming sentiment I've seen for the Issue has been positive. I don't know if that's because lots of people can't post on the boards or what, but it's a far cry better than most regular Issues. No-one's every completely happy with everything, but it seems like this time around, people are focusing on what they're happy with and not dwelling on what they hate.

I know I am.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcanaville View Post
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

 

Posted

Quote:
Originally Posted by EvilGeko View Post
I'm glad to hear, you're enjoying the game again Sam.
Since Geko said this, I've got to say... Dammit, Sam, stop enjoying the game!

Either that or I have to tell Geko he's not glad to hear it. Which is just as odd.

/needs to have that contract looked at again for number of allowed agreements per year, as I'm pretty sure those were used up earlier.


 

Posted

I agree with people.

There are some things I'm still unhappy with the game with, but I'm happy with things as well. I've got more character slots on my favourite server, the Barbarian set is rather neat now that we've seen a bit more of the stuff (though I cry at some of the bits males get and females don't ><) and I look forwards to spending more points, in the hopes that my purchases will go 'I like this, more of this' and 'I will pay you for this.'

Also, did I mention character slots?