Super Reflexes for Tanks

Anyone else looking forward to Super Reflexes for tanks?

I am Im thinking super reflexes with street justice I think will be fun, any thoughts?

I'm only excited at the fact that we get a new primary, not really a huge fan of DEF exclusive sets. Regardless, plan on making an SR/Elec.

I thought scaling resists kicked in ~65% for tanks, but Im not sure how that "scheduel" works. Add in the DDR and we're back to the /shield vs /sr back-and-forth on the other melee boards. Should be solid, not holy cow, but a decent competitor

[QUOTE=cohRock;3862225]Incorrect concerning the "eggshell" characterization. My experience playing on Beta is that SR tank may be 2nd to Stone in survivability. Sort of the anti-stone in one sense though -- SR's get Quicken.

Okay I know you're joking.

Sorry but even RIDICULOUS amounts of defense isn't a complete "defense".

With enough enemies the "lucky shot" effect takes over. Enough people whacking you by luck of the roll will be enough to whittle you down. Even with resistance going up from Lucky.

If they're doing monstrous damage on top of that they'll spike right past the resistance building mechanism in Lucky.

You can go take Tough, to give you better resistance for basic S/L. But my characterization of an eggshell still stands.

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I was thinking super reflexes and street justice for a tanker, not sure how well street justice would work for a tanker, but I think it will be fun, any thoughts?

Someone brought up a good point though for SR on tankers, that if you have a group of 20 baddies on you, the chance of getting hit goes way up and if they are 2-3 lvls higher than you, if you do get hit you could die very quickly. Just kinda wondering if SR for a tank will be good as long as you dont fight enemies that much higher than you. So the question is, can you "Tank" with super reflexes? I do want to try it out for a tank should be fun.

I would also think that the powerset for super reflexes for tankers would have to be slightly different, maybe a different power in there. Anyone know if it is?

Pure defense i think plain simple: put him in a +2 AE farm mission and see how fast he goes down. That devided by 4 is your avarage die time in normal missions.

3 powers have built in res-special, each giving 0.3% resist per % below 60%

So
59% health = 0.9% resist all but psi
1% health = roughly 38% resist all but psi

As all powers state 'ignore buff and enhancement', i really cant say this is a strong resistance.

Base defense, 26% melee, ranged, AoE. So slotted and 3% global/CJ makes softcap.

I put him on par with Ice, just no -dmg or -recharge AoE or any form of selfbuff. Evasion is the AoE taunt (8ft, 10target) with no debuff or sortlike.

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Pre-32 it has to match up against pretty much every full-battle set, we're talking inv with full glory (32 is unstoppable). Then we talk about cap SL resist, 30% non-SL (non psi), only cap defense is reached later due lack of slots (unless you dont give your attacks any slots). I highly doubt if i can even stand up against Inv, let alone post32 against Granite.

Majority of sets already can hit softcap, but they have a huge backup in form of regen, heal or massive resistance, sure it might be nice and you get hit not quite often, but i wonder if its enough to stand against mobs in trials (we're talking 58% softcap).

I expect Fire, Dark and KM to be the most popular secondaries. Fire just does more damage, so it'll always be popular. Dark has a self healing attack and -ToHit, which will help against those circumstances that would normally overwhelm 45% defense. KM has nice damage and a -Dmg debuff that will help when an attack squeaks through.

That said, I think it'll be competent in traditional content, but maybe not quite as good for Incarnate content. At least it won't melt from debuffs. The added resists and other attributes of Ice, Invuln and Shield should make them better defense-based choices. If Tankers get Energy Aura, that should be a better option, too.

I'm glad they're adding it for tanks, as it's nice to see a relatively pure defense based set to help round out the spectrum of available options, and it's good for so many classic hero concepts.

On the plus side, with the high levels of positional defense it should be easy to pick up and play, with good general coverage. On the downside, the lack of any health/heal/regen mechanic is unfortunate (DM and Aid Self could be popular partner powers) and it is rather one dimensional. I remember some of the things the Devouring Earth used to do to my Ice Tanker - I really wouldn't want to face the same issues without Hoarfrost and Chilling Embrace type secondary defenses.

Another minor downside is that you have to wait longer to get your full array of positionals up and running as compared to Shield.

My guess would be that it could be a fun set for free players, as you can get one extremely solid layer of defense up and optimised with just SOs.

I don't think I'd play one myself, but I tend to go for hybrid defenses anyway.

SRs are kind of fun. I remember fighting high level Malta in the days of just SOs with my scrapper and losing almost my entire life bar in a jiffy, so I went to click Elude. After fighting for my life for about 45s I thought "thank you Elude!" only to find I hadn't actually clicked it like I thought I did. One of them sets where just because you are in the red doesn't make ya soon dead.
Adding Med Pool to an SO'd SR scrapper gives way more average damage sustainability than a bog standard Invuln Tanker so a SR Tanker with Med Pool is going to do pretty damn well for almost all of the entire game.

I had a lot of fun messing around with an SR Tank in Beta, finding it extraordinarily nice to finally have a character at/around the Defense soft-cap (something that has heretofore been out of my reach). I really want to make one when it hits live, but I also really want to pair it with Street Justice, so I'll likely be in for a frustrating wait.

And I really didn't find it to be very fragile, despite not having the Medicine or Fighting Pool. (I've by and large sworn off grabbing the latter, anyway.)