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And your post is an almost word-for-word recreation of the exact same argument we had all of 2004 and have had around once per year since. The names of the people involved are different, but the arguments are pretty much the same. If you see anyone with a forum reg date of 2004-2006 or thereabout, I can pretty much promise you that nothing you say will change their mind regarding "blind invites."|
Originally Posted by ItsJustJake
I was just disagreeing with the general notion that ALL players feel that way.
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I mean, you've been around long enough to have seen most of these threads. Do you honestly feel there was ever anything to be gained by arguing in them?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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What I'm saying is, give a one month player the chance to create a guy and a 5 year vet the same chance with the same options and the 5 year vet is going to by in large make a better outfit.
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Originally Posted by Tahliah
. . . or have the range of vet and bought costume pieces that add to one's ability to create awesome costumes. Vet status cc's are very much better in these terms. And may actually be a good way "around" the inability to give ingame rewards to free players. It would be unfun to enter a cc knowing the first prize is $50m, second $25m, and third $10m (or whatever), to come in first and then have someone who came in third get more of a "prize" than you do. But if the cc is only open to freeps . . . well, that makes it seem more fair (though it does bring up that ugly specter of freeps being "other").
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I am not "arguing", nor am I trying to change anyone's mind. I was merely Reminding them that while their opinion is perfectly valid, it extends no further than their own game play, and voicing it as some sweeping "unwritten game play Law" was misleading.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
And your post is an almost word-for-word recreation of the exact same argument we had all of 2004 and have had around once per year since. The names of the people involved are different, but the arguments are pretty much the same. If you see anyone with a forum reg date of 2004-2006 or thereabout, I can pretty much promise you that nothing you say will change their mind regarding "blind invites."
I mean, you've been around long enough to have seen most of these threads. Do you honestly feel there was ever anything to be gained by arguing in them? |
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Fortunately, primal earth Hamidon seems incapable of operating a camera phone, so this worry was a bit overblown.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
exposing yourself to the Hamidon too much would have negative consequences in the future
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No, no, you're right, especially that there is no one general rule that everyone's going to follow. I'm just saying that at this point, I honestly don't think there's anything that can be changed on this subject.|
Originally Posted by ItsJustJake
I am not "arguing", nor am I trying to change anyone's mind. I was merely Reminding them that while their opinion is perfectly valid, it extends no further than their own game play, and voicing it as some sweeping "unwritten game play Law" was misleading.
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Fortunately, primal earth Hamidon seems incapable of operating a camera phone, so this worry was a bit overblown.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I'd have to echo the opinion that it's unlikely that free players will stay free for very long. It'll be a great way to judge a lot of important things. If they like the combat mechanics, if they like the setting, if they comp can run it... (I would've saved 60 bucks on Rift if I would've guessed that one right. -_-)
If the answer to all those questions are yes, then they'll most likely go premium.
But to adress one of the original topics...costume contests are bassed on opinion anyway. Having limited costume pieces does -not- limit creativity, something that the CoH community has proved time and time again. Some of the best costumes I've seen didn't include booster pack parts, or any of the fancy new ones.
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Yeah, I remember. I was just having some fun there. It was never official: it was a rumor started by the players before the big HO nerf. "Hami disease" was the idea.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
I don't think there was ever anything to be worried about, and I'm pretty sure the implication was never official. Some people simply felt that if these enhancements were as strong as they were (and they were very strong), there had to be some drawback to them, and corrupting player's level 50 characters was a meaningful drawback... Yeah... Luckily, that never happened. They just reduced the Hamidon enhancements' effectiveness when, like with SOs, they realised people would be making whole builds of the things.
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Yea, the trading insps thing is a perfect example. It doesn't just negatively affect the free players, it negatively affects anyone who groups with them. I keep seeing ways in which the limitations put on the free players negatively affects me as a paying player.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
But doing that by locking away basic functionality is NOT a good idea. I wasn't even aware you couldn't even TRADE as a Freebie. Does that mean you can't get insps? Enhancements? If so, BANG goes a major part of PuGs and teaming in general; "Anyone got a waky/two oranges?" etc.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Yeah, I remember. I was just having some fun there. It was never official: it was a rumor started by the players before the big HO nerf. "Hami disease" was the idea.
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I think the Hamidon was one of the earliest "hot topics" in the game, at least that I can recall off-hand, and some of the arguments around it still astound me to this day. After the arguments ED and GR, that's saying something.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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They kinda seem quaint by today's standards.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It still makes me chuckle a little bit how seriously players took that, and yes, I do agree with having fun with it
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Although, I still harbor a little bit of a grudge that during the debates orbiting the GDN I never got my two slots back (and *that's* a bit of trivia I doubt anyone remembers anymore).
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So many people with such bitterness for the "freeloaders," forgetting the fact that they too were such, when they fired up their trial for the first time.
Free players are just trial players that get to play their characters to a higher level. That's it. The minute they spend any kind of money on the game, they bump to Premium, and then they're no different than your best friend that can't afford the monthly sub because they got laid off from work.
Time to grow up, people.
Freedom was designed for the veteran players to downscale their financial commitment to the game more than anything else. Trial players are still sequestered just like they've always been, and subscription players get all the perks for parting with their money every month.
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I seriously feel that people should pull their heads out of their bumholes and pay attention to mechanics and not frill and community. Community fosters its self regardless of what we take for granted...
Look at game play scenarios....Sure we wat to foster community, but without sounding like a complete pancake, Im sort of getting tired of cheer leaders and CoX groupies foregetting this is an MMO with team oriented goals...and frankly CC's and trading etc ar all nice nice...but it's not going to be the hindering or creating the great devide. Mechanics will!
If you are going to look at things. Start Big...Sweat the small stuff later. If it ruins game play then it's an issue, if it's frill...then work it out.
Seriously!
CC's are nice...and so is completeing a mission, and if our goal is to freak out new players to not sub, well then, overall we are doing a bang up job!
OK I'm confused. Last time I looked people were complaining that free players weren't allowed to start teams. Now we're complaining they'll be spamming blind invites. When did this change?
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
So many people with such bitterness for the "freeloaders," forgetting the fact that they too were such, when they fired up their trial for the first time.
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'Course, the irony there is that I'm not one of the people yelling at the free players to get off his lawn, 'cause what do I care? Seriously. So they can't respond to /tells. I'm not going to be /telling them anything anyway. Or trying to give them their prizes at a costume contest. Or, in fact, interacting with them in any way. I've spent the last seven years ignoring 99.9% of the other paying players. The ones who aren't won't even make an impression.
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And if reading the Broadcast channel in Atlas Park doesn't cure 'em of playing City of Heroes, nothing will.
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Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
Freeloaders can see tells sent to them and they can read Broadcast. They can't send to Broadcast and they can't send tells.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Fortunately, primal earth Hamidon seems incapable of operating a camera phone, so this worry was a bit overblown.
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As I recall, it started with an off-hand remark by Matt, as is his wont to do at times, about the consequences of stuffing yourself with mutant amoeba DNA and it snowballed from there. Word of a Dev, and all.|
Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
It still makes me chuckle a little bit how seriously players took that, and yes, I do agree with having fun with it
I think the Hamidon was one of the earliest "hot topics" in the game, at least that I can recall off-hand, and some of the arguments around it still astound me to this day. After the arguments ED and GR, that's saying something. |
Do you remember that in it's original conception, that Hamidon was supposed to be the end-game? The idea was that it had to be culled regularly or else Devouring Earth would start to show up throughout the city. They never did take it that far.
As far as the free players go, I've noticed that if you do the Death From Below trial that your team does not automagically disband afterwards. A free player could potentially use LFG to get into a Sewer Trial team and then just keep on rolling with the team afterwards, assuming that it didn't split up immediately.
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Originally Posted by SlickRiptide
Do you remember that in it's original conception, that Hamidon was supposed to be the end-game? The idea was that it had to be culled regularly or else Devouring Earth would start to show up throughout the city. They never did take it that far.
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Primal Earth, man. Its the pecking order of the cosmos:
Hellions
Tsoo
Rikti
Kronos
Praetorian
Hamidon
Primal Earth inhabitant looking for loot
I'm surprised that when we confront Ruladek he doesn't take one look at us, cry "Primal Earth human!" and all the Rularuu jump over the edge into shardspace. The only reason the Shivans are a threat to the universe is because a) Primal Earth humans don't know the location of their home world and b) there are no merits for finding it.
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Originally Posted by Eislor
In order to be able to access supergroups, tells, trading and e-mails an account only has to reach Tier 2. That's all.
To get to Tier 2 requires you spend $15 OR having a retail code applied to your account. Well look here, a retail code is going to cost only $9.99 after Aug 29. And don't forget you can still buy an old box (sealed, brand new) for $1 on Amazon. Retail code and one month free for $1 (OK, plus $5 shipping). I think this whole thread is a non-issue. |
We have numerous threads discussing the large sweeping changes.
This one is for all the small 'possible' ways those changes could alter the community we've grown accustomed to.
Personally, I think it'll be a positive change. I was just curious to see what others would think and perhaps point out some of the small little roadblocks getting overlooked. (i.e. not passing inspirations, etc)
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I never fired up a trial. I bought this game before it was live without having ever played it, and I have never once let my sub lapse.|
Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
So many people with such bitterness for the "freeloaders," forgetting the fact that they too were such, when they fired up their trial for the first time.
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That doesn't make me better than anyone, so don't run down roads I wasn't traveling with the above response. I'm just pointing out that your attempt to show I have some special shared bond with a free player simply doesn't apply.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
'Course, the irony there is that I'm not one of the people yelling at the free players to get off his lawn, 'cause what do I care? Seriously. So they can't respond to /tells. I'm not going to be /telling them anything anyway. Or trying to give them their prizes at a costume contest. Or, in fact, interacting with them in any way. I've spent the last seven years ignoring 99.9% of the other paying players. The ones who aren't won't even make an impression.
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Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The only reason the Shivans are a threat to the universe is because a) Primal Earth humans don't know the location of their home world and b) there are no merits for finding it.
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As far as the thread, I personally find "freeloaders" offensive and counter to the idea of welcoming new players into our community. But maybe that's just me. (It's obviously not warden.)
One thing that might constrain the limited teaming is free players' content limits. Remember in Praetoria when you hit one of your moral choice missions and hit the teaming roadblock? It might be a bit like that.
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I never fired up a trial. I joined when the game came out, well before any such thing existed.
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Originally Posted by White Hot Flash
So many people with such bitterness for the "freeloaders," forgetting the fact that they too were such, when they fired up their trial for the first time.
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I was against a F2P model being brought to CoH in the beginning. After seeing how it's being implemented I have since recanted my position.
It's cool that people who like superheroes, but don't have a steady stream of disposable income, can get a chance to play this game. And if they happen to have an extra $5-$10 occasionally, they can spend it on the game if they like.
I think some of the restrictions on free players (I call them freebies) kind of suck, but that's how it goes.
I think freebies should at least be allowed to respond to tells, even if they can't initiate them. That would prevent a lot of the RMT spam tells, and it would let freebies inform people that yes, they would like to team.
I also think Premium players should be allowed to use Broadcast, simply because there are probably going to be a lot of former players returning to check things out now that they can do so for free. A lot of those people are going to be jumping back into a game where Broadcast was the main method of finding teams when they left, and now the main method of finding them is something they can't use (global channels).
We'll have to wait and see, but I have a feeling the communication barriers freebies and preemies will have to deal with may turn off a significant number of potential subscribers or re-subscribers.
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In order to be able to access supergroups, tells, trading and e-mails an account only has to reach Tier 2. That's all.
To get to Tier 2 requires you spend $15 OR having a retail code applied to your account. Well look here, a retail code is going to cost only $9.99 after Aug 29. And don't forget you can still buy an old box (sealed, brand new) for $1 on Amazon. Retail code and one month free for $1 (OK, plus $5 shipping).
I think this whole thread is a non-issue.
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