Can someone explain farming?


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It seems like it has multiple definitions. I'd just like to understand what people mean when they say they are 'looking for a farm' so I can decide to join the group or not.

Is there a specific way to set the MA up with specific mission difficulty combined with certain maps that are good for farm leveling? Or are people farming for Salvage to make money - thus running the Dev approved MA missions that will drop standard rewards?

Thanks for any clarity. I do not want to be the 'noob' who gets on a team and does not know what the team's assumed goals are


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Farming can mean many different things in this game, which is probably leading to some of your confusion. When it comes to the MA, usually people are farming for two things: tickets and XP. Tickets can be used to buy recipe rolls or salvage rolls, which can earn you some good influence, and the XP should be fairly self-explanatory.

The MA does allow you to choose enemies which deal damage that you are well protected from, which can speed up the process (say you're a Fire Armor Tanker, with 90% resistance to Fire damage. If you're fighting enemies that deal only fire damage, or mostly fire damage, you can take on more enemies at once than you could if they all dealt Energy damage). The more enemies you can kill in the same timeframe, the better off you are in terms of farming.


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Farming is a repeated action done to gain the desired reward.

One can farm the ITF for shards since you are most likely to get shard drops from it.

One can farm for purples by running missions on x8 with mobs that have level 50 drops.

One can farm for tickets by running AE missions at x8 although the higher the diff setting the quicker it is to hit the ticket cap, 1.5K for a mission. Any build can farm for tickets. The only difference is the speed in which it is done.

Power Leveling(PL) gets lumped in with farming because it is basically farming for exp, +4x8 with bosses being the ideal since the lower level character will be facing +5s. If you see a non-level 50 asking for a farm, they are doing so because they want to get PLed. Sure, they will get tickets as well if it's done via AE, but that's a secondary goal. A smaller number of builds can PL others, but the current king is a SS/fire/mu brute. It is a common practice for the farmer to even take payment for them to farm other players(not saying it's right mind you) and certainly in cases where it's a private farm. A private farm is where the number of players getting PLed is on the lower side and ideally it's just two people doing the mission since they will get far more rewards for doing x8 sized mobs versus an 8 player team doing it. Players can set up trades which means person A farms person B, and then they switch.

As much info as you'll ever need on farming is found in the brute forum via three threads, "Very Best Farmer?," "Lowbie Farming Map," and "Cebr." There's even walk through videos on how to do it. "Very Best Farmer?" covers the debate on which brute really is king and why. "Lowbie Farming Map" is based on how one can farm tickets and PL oneself using low level maps. "Cebr" is covering low level maps, but specifically with a Claws/elec brute.

My official opinion on farming is...it's an option. I wouldn't do it if I was a new player since they would have too much to still learn about the game. The game doesn't need more AE babies. I didn't break down and try self PLing a character until I was nearly a 6 year vet. I'm not even doing it for the currency it can generate since I have generated around 6-8, or so billion from the market. It was merely done because it's one of the only things I haven't done in game.

It's been an interesting experiment and I'll leave it at that. Some days I have no problem going through a 5 mission arc and burning through the tickets I get for it. Some days I nearly cringe at the sight of an AE building. My level 50 SS/fire feels like it still has it's training wheels on because about the only thing it is currently good for is ambush farms. Once I get it IOed, then the real fun begins. It's interesting to think I have a level 50 and yet there is no story of going to level 50 outside of ambush farms. Compare that to my other 50s and I can tell numerous stories about their journey to 50. My Earth/storm had teammates chanting her name. My SS/fire has people asking if I'm running any farms even if I say nothing. Like I said, it's an option.


 

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Since your question re: farming is specifically related to broadcast messages like "looking for a farm," you are really seeing requests to join a powerleveling team. Powerleveling, or PL for short, is what Aett refers to as an XP farm. A level 1 character can make it to level 25 in under an hour via powerleveling methods. Often, the "looking for a farm" will be accompanied by an offer of influence/information/infamy to join the farm, or farming characters will advertise their farms in exchange for inf payments (or in some cases, for free). Incidentally, a farmer offering a free farm is likely just running a farm map in AE for the AE tickets Aett mentions. These can be exchanged for valuable salvage or recipes.

Basically, if someone is asking to join a farm in Atlas Park, you can be 99.99% sure they are a low-level character looking to be powerleveled by joining a Mission Architect farming team.


 

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Thank you! That clears up a lot. I have a 50 fire/kin and I'd love to run missions with lower level toons to help them out - I enjoy it if it is helping them get some quick levels. I just did not know what to set the AE for to best help them.

I am not sure what x8 means, but my guess is I set my difficulty to 'fight enemies +0 to me' so I can quickly and easily kill them and set myself to 'I am equal to 6 heroes' to get the big spawn. Then invite a few lower level friends and have fun.

That right?

Also, should I pick just any mission, missions that give 'standard rewards', or are their keywords to help me find the right one?

I am googling the threads you suggested now - thanks so much.


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Originally Posted by Mashuguna View Post
Thank you! That clears up a lot. I have a 50 fire/kin and I'd love to run missions with lower level toons to help them out - I enjoy it if it is helping them get some quick levels. I just did not know what to set the AE for to best help them.

I am not sure what x8 means, but my guess is I set my difficulty to 'fight enemies +0 to me' so I can quickly and easily kill them and set myself to 'I am equal to 6 heroes' to get the big spawn. Then invite a few lower level friends and have fun.

That right?

Also, should I pick just any mission, missions that give 'standard rewards', or are their keywords to help me find the right one?

I am googling the threads you suggested now - thanks so much.
0x8 means set to 8 players
with the 0 being setting relative to self.
4x8 being +4

All 3 of those threads are in the brute forum, no need for google.


 

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Also, should I pick just any mission, missions that give 'standard rewards', or are their keywords to help me find the right one?
You want tickets for the rewards since you can use those for random rolls from the ticket vendor. Ticket rolls are mentioned in the "Very Best Farmer" thread, but a quicker way would be to seek out the Market forum and it's guides. The Cyborg mission is a very popular ambush farm, but it's rewards are lacking. There are a number of fire farms, but I currently use FIRE! quite a bit. I'll poke around for some others that I wrote down just to break things up. A Fire/kin will be better for the higher level farms. Low levels are really geared towards brutes and their 775% damage cap.


 

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It is a common practice for the farmer to even take payment for them to farm other players(not saying it's right mind you) and certainly in cases where it's a private farm.
Coming from Union, where this didn't happen, I was shocked by Freedom's Atlas broadcasting of people charging inf to PL. Whenever I've farmed/PL'ed friends, *anyone* was free to tag along, as the way I saw it, I'd be in the mission anyhow and having a team chatting made it less monotonous. If they could stay alive and help clobber things, great. If they couldn't, they were just as welcome to door sit and chat. (I'd encourage newer folks to avoid farms when they were around, though. Just so they got to enjoy the levelling more, but I wouldn't refuse them).

It's pretty much the main reason I've avoided making a toon on Freedom, aside from the level 1 used for the stress test a while back. I, personally, much prefer the way things are done over on Union. (Not condemning the Freedom/NA way, just saying it's not for me).


 

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Thank you! That clears up a lot. I have a 50 fire/kin and I'd love to run missions with lower level toons to help them out - I enjoy it if it is helping them get some quick levels.
You can certainly do whatever you like in the game without input from me. I just want to remind you for clarity's sake that power-leveling people is not "helping them gain some quick levels" so much as it is "doing it for them." If you were helping, you'd all be sharing the fighting.


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Originally Posted by Mashuguna View Post
Thank you! That clears up a lot. I have a 50 fire/kin and I'd love to run missions with lower level toons to help them out - I enjoy it if it is helping them get some quick levels. I just did not know what to set the AE for to best help them.
It's not really 'helping'. It's more like 'giving sponges a free ride' and helping people get to high level with characters that they don't know how to play. Farming and PL'ing have their place, but helping new players zoom to 50 is a bad idea. It comes from the mindset that the 'real game' starts when you hit max level.


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I am not sure what x8 means, but my guess is I set my difficulty to 'fight enemies +0 to me' so I can quickly and easily kill them and set myself to 'I am equal to 6 heroes' to get the big spawn. Then invite a few lower level friends and have fun.
Pretty much. +0/x6 is a good starting point. You definitely want to avoid -1 to your level since enemies lower level than you won't drop shards. Of course, if you're farming in AE, there are no shards to be had anyway.


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Also, should I pick just any mission, missions that give 'standard rewards',
You won't have that option. You can only pick 'standard rewards' on missions that have been approved by the devs. As you might guess, farm missions don't get this approval.

If you want to farm for standard rewards, you need to find a regular mission to do it in. Outdoor maps are assumed. The popular ones have been Council, Freakshow and Battle Maiden. Personally, I use the 'Council Empire' mission (from Unai Kemen, I think).


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Again, thank you. I love this community. I'll have to go check out Unai Kemen. I did not know you could go back to old contacts after 50 and run missions more than once.


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Originally Posted by Biscuits_EU View Post
Coming from Union, where this didn't happen, I was shocked by Freedom's Atlas broadcasting of people charging inf to PL.
/this.

Freedoom is about the only place I've ever seen someone charge for a farm - much less have it commonplace. And, frankly, I think the people who are paying are suckers - the farmer's already going to get a fair chunk of INF coming in from recipes, INF drops and tickets. The farm will run the same whether you're there or not. *shrug* But I don't use them, I just laugh at them and shake my head the few times I bother going to that server.


 

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Originally Posted by Biscuits_EU View Post
Coming from Union, where this didn't happen, I was shocked by Freedom's Atlas broadcasting of people charging inf to PL. Whenever I've farmed/PL'ed friends, *anyone* was free to tag along, as the way I saw it, I'd be in the mission anyhow and having a team chatting made it less monotonous. If they could stay alive and help clobber things, great. If they couldn't, they were just as welcome to door sit and chat. (I'd encourage newer folks to avoid farms when they were around, though. Just so they got to enjoy the levelling more, but I wouldn't refuse them).

It's pretty much the main reason I've avoided making a toon on Freedom, aside from the level 1 used for the stress test a while back. I, personally, much prefer the way things are done over on Union. (Not condemning the Freedom/NA way, just saying it's not for me).
My SS/fire is still redside, but I moved them to St. M. just because Cap was way too annoying. Once you get past Atlas and Cap on Freedom, things get much quieter.


 

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/this.

Freedoom is about the only place I've ever seen someone charge for a farm - much less have it commonplace. And, frankly, I think the people who are paying are suckers - the farmer's already going to get a fair chunk of INF coming in from recipes, INF drops and tickets. The farm will run the same whether you're there or not. *shrug* But I don't use them, I just laugh at them and shake my head the few times I bother going to that server.
I went over to Freedom to see how the pay per run farms were. Mostly just curious since I farm more than my fair share on my home server.

I was rather let down by the experience.

It took over 10 minutes to get a slot on a farm each of the 5 times I went on runs.

Each farmer was intent on running Creys for their farm. All took over 10minutes to complete and all limited themselves to only 3 people being pl'ed with one being venge bait to start the farm. Everyone ran +3x8 with bosses.

So long waits, substandard farm ( no one that knows what they are doing are running that dog) substandard run times and not a one of them smart enough to use a good set of keybinds to increase their damage/lower their times.

I can blow through that map in 4:07 on my TF built SS/FA for crying out loud.


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You either a) got a bad farmer or b) got an AE baby farmer that just recently hit 50. Freedom has a picky enough clientele that only real beggars will take anything less than a +4/x8 farm and most of the farmee's will drop team if its taking too long to finish.


 

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You either a) got a bad farmer or b) got an AE baby farmer that just recently hit 50. Freedom has a picky enough clientele that only real beggars will take anything less than a +4/x8 farm and most of the farmee's will drop team if its taking too long to finish.
Note they said it was more than one farmer. If you are going to go out in the masses and PL, it's +4x8w/B, or go home. Hell, I can do +4x8 on my my SS/fire and I'm not even fully slotted with SO type enhancements and that was before I added macros.


 

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I did not know you could go back to old contacts after 50 and run missions more than once.
Generally speaking, you can't (other than of course Ouroboros, where doing so uses the TF/SF interface, which works, but does not allow you to invite people along mid-run). You CAN, of course, still hit up any of your high-level contacts that you haven't finished, but what I think is being referred to here is that you can "save" a particular mission that works well as a farm and play and reset it over and over by doing some of the content but not completing it. Then all toons exit the map and you "reset" it by selecting another mission and then back to the farm.


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One way is to combine all non red insperations into red to keep damage bonus at max.
You can also use one to target only the bosses and let your damage aura take out the minions.



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<noob question>
How do macros help?
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Huge numbers of threads in Brute forums describing the how-tos of farming. Yes, macros help as described above. Combine insps for damage and sometimes lucks for defense. A SS/FA has everything else they need otherwise.


 

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Originally Posted by Biscuits_EU View Post
Coming from Union, where this didn't happen, I was shocked by Freedom's Atlas broadcasting of people charging inf to PL. Whenever I've farmed/PL'ed friends, *anyone* was free to tag along, as the way I saw it, I'd be in the mission anyhow and having a team chatting made it less monotonous. If they could stay alive and help clobber things, great. If they couldn't, they were just as welcome to door sit and chat. (I'd encourage newer folks to avoid farms when they were around, though. Just so they got to enjoy the levelling more, but I wouldn't refuse them).

It's pretty much the main reason I've avoided making a toon on Freedom, aside from the level 1 used for the stress test a while back. I, personally, much prefer the way things are done over on Union. (Not condemning the Freedom/NA way, just saying it's not for me).
My recent visit on Freedom and I saw this broadcast in Atlas...

"Looking for xp farm... I give my picture link in return "

I gather that would work... if the player really was a woman. But how weird can we get! This is a game last time I checked.


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<noob question>
How do macros help?
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Originally Posted by Mashuguna View Post
TI have a 50 fire/kin and I'd love to run missions with lower level toons to help them out - I enjoy it if it is helping them get some quick levels.
If you ask me, and you didn't, PLing people doesn't help anyone out at all... except in allowing folks to circumvent the intentional time sink of playing the game... not to mention the fact that you are skipping over a lot of fun stuff that can be had along the way. Call me a heretic, but I distinctly enjoy the first 20 or so levels of this game.

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"Looking for xp farm... I give my picture link in return "
Wow... how low can you get? And no "woman" would say that. If the person is female, I would not deign to call her a "woman" but rather a more colorful term.



 

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Call me a heretic, but I distinctly enjoy the first 20 or so levels of this game.

I'll go you one better. I enjoy the first 40 levels of normal gameplay. On Villainside, that moves up to the first 50 levels...


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I'll go you one better. I enjoy the first 40 levels of normal gameplay. On Villainside, that moves up to the first 50 levels...
Sorry guys, but for me the game doesn't start until you are 50.

I leveled up several characters the hard way and played enough content to know what I missed and grab it in a flashback if I want.