Enhancer slots for sale in Paragon Market?


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I think it would be pretty neat if we could buy bunches of new IO enhancer slots in the Paragon Market, potentially buying enough to 6- (or 7-) slot *all* of our powers!

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No, that would be so horribly overpowered. That would severely break the game.

It'd be awesome for a short while, but that's definitely a no-no.


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No.


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You both said "No", but did not specify your reason(s) for that sentiment.

Why do you think it is a bad idea?

William's comment about it being "overpowered" makes me think that that is a PvP argument and is not a valid arguement for the PvE game.



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Gonna have to agree, it'd be a bit broken. Not just from a PvP stand point, but from a PvE stand point.

See all those things people do now, like solo the ITF, solo GMs, solo 4/8 content...now imagine the ease of things if every power was six slotted!

Now that said, I don't think it would be overpowered, if they allowed a one time buy of 2-6 extra slots per character, great way to either enhance a charcter or slot those Patron/Anicillary Powers you took between level 41 and 49


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There is balance in the PvE game. Balance isn't limited to PvP(Arguably it isn't even present in PvP but ). This would demolish that balance.

That's not even considering the fact that this would be selling power on an extreme level.

But this just isn't something that should ever be done. It would break the game.


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You can already get that kind of effiency slotting IO sets, or frankenslotting. Add two more slots on top of that? Very powerfull.

As many times as I have said that I could really use an extra slot right now, I think it is a bad idea for game balance reasons.


 

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William's comment about it being "overpowered" makes me think that that is a PvP argument and is not a valid arguement for the PvE game.
Why on earth would you NOT think that's vaild for the PVE game? IO builds can already be insanely overpowered - and that's with having to be picky about some powers. Buying more slots so you DON'T have to be picky?

Ugh.

It's bad enough Incarnate powers end up trivializing high end content even further.("Hey, let's do an ITF!" *zap zap zap* "OK, done, that was fun! And I still have 25 minutes of my half hour lunch break!")

There are only two places I think more slots should even be looked at - and not sold.
(1) Those last powers you get in the PPP - give two more slots, maybe three, at 49, and
(2) Kheldians, which should get more when a form is taken, since even with IOs they can be badly slot starved.


 

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I am sure that players of Kheldian characters would appreciate a few extra enhancer slots.

Goodness knows, they are starved for those things when they try to put together a dual or triform character!



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You can already get that kind of effiency slotting IO sets, or frankenslotting. Add two more slots on top of that? Very powerfull.

As many times as I have said that I could really use an extra slot right now, I think it is a bad idea for game balance reasons.
To further elaborate and be lazy, this is the extension of my answer.


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What Memphis_Bill said, and extra emphasis on the "Ugh."


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What Memphis_Bill said, and extra emphasis on the "Ugh."
What Chad said and extra emphasis on the already-emphasized "Ugh."


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I would be willing to kill for a few more slots for my Khelds.

Not really sure why folks think this would be unbalanced. With all those level 50+ Uber Incarnates running around now how could you ever notice the difference in terms of game balance?

Seriously. . . Where does it really become unbalanced?

I see no reason at all that more premium slots couldn't be made available, even to include a few seventh slots. . .

Seems like a good idea to me!


 

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I am sure that players of Kheldian characters would appreciate a few extra enhancer slots.

Goodness knows, they are starved for those things when they try to put together a dual or triform character!
I am sure that people would appreciate a few pounds of gold as well, but you still don't do it.

This would be very unbalancing. What happens if a person just buys slots right as they level and applies them to 6 out all of their powers... thus making them unable to slot the next level's slots and therefore unable to proceed with the leveling process.

Also, do we know that the character framework can even support more slots than currently?

Also also, no. No you can not get an amen.


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I would be willing to kill for a few more slots for my Khelds.

Not really sure why folks think this would be unbalanced. With all those level 50+ Uber Incarnates running around now how could you ever notice the difference in terms of game balance?

Seriously. . . Where does it really become unbalanced?
How about "Instead of waiting for endgame to become unbalanced, it becomes unbalanced and trivializes content much, much earlier?"

Right now,t he mobs are designed *knowing* you're not going to have everything, or even most things, six slotted at certain levels, much less have a ton of bonuses from IOs. Just being able to add more slots via credit card tosses all that out the window.

So what do they do - leave it so you could six slot everything each time you level (*Ding* level 18 - and you have 30 slots waiting still, thank you for your purchase!) or start balancing those mobs around the assumption you'll be heavily slotted/IOd early, screwing over the people who aren't?

No. No mass slot purchases. (I'll qualify I would not argue with a one time (per character) ONLY purchase of three at most - but again, I'd rather see what I mentioned going in. But "So you can six slot everything!" No. Absofreakinglutely not.)


 

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I will agree that six slotting everything would probably be excessive. But I don't see why folks couldn't buy up to (Grabbing numbers for the sake of numbers) say ten or twelve more slots max (Maybe a cap of 2 slots + 2 extra slots at every 10th level?) and allowing maybe one or two powers to be seven slotted. Khelds would finally be able to slot some useful sets!


 

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I wish Level 50 granted 6 slots instead of 3 (for free!!!!), but am adamantly against being able to PURCHASE the ability to make your character INSANELY UBER.


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I wish Level 50 granted 6 slots instead of 3 (for free!!!!)
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...but am adamantly against being able to PURCHASE the ability to make your character INSANELY UBER.
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You both said "No", but did not specify your reason(s) for that sentiment.

Why do you think it is a bad idea?

William's comment about it being "overpowered" makes me think that that is a PvP argument and is not a valid arguement for the PvE game.
Individuals who were willing to spend the amount of money on the game that got you to 6 slotting all you're powers would have a massive advantage in pretty much any build situation than an individual who did not.

Whod effectively be creating an extra tier of segregation between those happy to just use the points they get as their subscription for littl ethings, to those willing to spend more money on being massivly OP.

I'm sure the devs want our money, I'm sure they want it enough to know that a fair few people would stop playing if they needed to invest a massive amount of money into the game to have their builds have the potential to be equal to others.

Would it be a one off purchase for all characters on an account? (and when would thse slots be given) or would each individual character have to have it bought for them?


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Going to /unsign this.

I would not be against something like the following though:

A benefit of being a VIP player.. yep you know those people who pay the bills...get 6 slots at level 50 instead of 3.

OR

Along the same lines... VIP players who either have Alpha Unlocked or are +1 get 3 slots (I mean if there were a TRUE level 51...you would probably get slots anyways).

But I am DEFINITELY against PURCHASABLE slots. If anything it should be a SMALL (No more than 3) benefit of being a VIP customer.


 

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Not really sure why folks think this would be unbalanced. With all those level 50+ Uber Incarnates running around now how could you ever notice the difference in terms of game balance?

Seriously. . . Where does it really become unbalanced?
Not sure if serious. Are you proposing that only people without uber IO'ed incarnate builds are allowed to purchase extra slots, or do you think it is a good idea to constantly chase after the same power as those same incarnates, then realizing they are even more powerfull and must be chased again?

Nevermind the fact that those same IO'ed to the gills incarnate builds are already available to everyone who plays the game.


 

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Individuals who were willing to spend the amount of money on the game that got you to 6 slotting all you're powers would have a massive advantage in pretty much any build situation than an individual who did not.

Whod effectively be creating an extra tier of segregation between those happy to just use the points they get as their subscription for littl ethings, to those willing to spend more money on being massivly OP.
Not that I support this idea (I don't), but this type of power segregation will already exist when Freedom launches, as Incarnates will be gated behind subscription fees and even the Invention System will require purchase or Paragon Reward tokens to access.


 

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Not a good idea to me.

Smacks too much of 'pay to win'



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I think that it would be pretty neat to get +3 enhancer slots at Lv50 (for a total of +6), then another +3 after unlocking Alpha, and having a final +3 available for purchase through the Paragon Market.

That's +9 enhancer slots for an Alpha'd Lv50 customer, enough to sate even the greatest dreams of Kheldian avarice!

I have to raise a tiny kitty eyebrow at the mention of phrases like "game-breaking", "overpowered", and "segregation", as these (again!) sound like they are being bandied-about with regard to PvP.

The addition of enhancer slots helps *everyone*, not just l33t d3wdz with t3h ph4t l3wtz! If the Devs do not take time from other projects in order to "up the ante" with regard to the new enhancers, then people will be able to continue playing through regular and Incarnate content, yet will simply have a few extra enhancers as a Quality of Life (QoL) bonus.

There have always been "haves" and "have nots" in all walks of life and gaming, but this feature (at least) is *not* divisive, but available to everyone who chooses to pursue it. It is not as though you have to get 150 people together for a raid on The Lair of the Chromatic Dragon Matriarch in your +90 Armour of L33tn3ss and with a +75 Sword of T3h Ph4tn3ss!



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