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Originally Posted by Arbegla
Thing is, its not just that. Its also this:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2F...light+Moms.jpg and this: http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/...erewolves-real |
Goodbye, I guess.
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eh, we have no examples of star wars, star trek, anime and harry potter fans doing similarly strange things?
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Actually in the books, the Quileute tribe are shape shifters more then werewolves, in the last book when the Volturi come to investigate and destroy the Cullens they are very shocked and angry that a bunch of vampires are hanging around with werewolves, one of the Volturi brothers says to his other brother something along the line of, "They are not true werewolves here like there are back in Europe, it is not a full moon, these kind must be shapeshifters."|
Originally Posted by Arbegla
Problem is, they still sparkled, and still were able to walk in the light.
While they may have the whole 'Some of us don't drink human blood anymore.' they certainly don't have the aspects of real and true vampires (and don't even get me started on werewolves) |
Just to let you know I am not a Twihard, yes I do have the books and yes I have seen the movies, but I am not falling all over myself drooling over everything Twilight, I am just a vampire/supernatural fan. I also seen 30 Days of night and I liked that one too, I'll have to look into getting the graphic novel, unfortunatly I don't live anywhere near California so no trade in for me. Also I like vampires who can only walk around in the night and don't sparkle.
Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Which is why the Harry Potter series shares in the nearly universal nerd revilement. No, wait, it doesn't. I guess 'letting normals in' isn't the problem. The problem may just be the characters and how they're presented.
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Originally Posted by Stephen King
"Harry Potter is about confronting fears, finding inner strength and doing what is right in the face of adversity. Twilight is about how important it is to have a boyfriend."
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Originally Posted by Pouncer
I think people who bash Twilight need to get a grip. It falls in the genre of Teen Romance, not Gothic Horror. It's like bashing Micky Mouse for not being a realistic portrayal of rodents. You need to consider the target audience.
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Except...
I think rubbish gets blasted a bit more so and that's all that we have going on here.
Of course, this is a matter of opinion, but that's all it ever is.
Most people's opinions are that Mickey Mouse, Star Wars, Star Trek, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Nosferatu, Harry Potter and other things are not rubbish... So, while they certainly have their detractors, these things aren't picked on quite as much as... Twilight.
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"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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And this is different than any other fandom how?
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Originally Posted by Arbegla
Thing is, its not just that. Its also this:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2F...light+Moms.jpg and this: http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/...erewolves-real The ENTIRE twilight franchise not just turns vampires into sparkling emo freaks, but it also turns the entire fan base into irrational idiots. Target audience or not, there just something seriously wrong with people with how blown up this franchise as become. |
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My above post may be the answer to that.
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Originally Posted by Pouncer
And this is different than any other fandom how?
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@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by rian_frostdrake
eh, we have no examples of star wars, star trek, anime and harry potter fans doing similarly strange things?
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Originally Posted by Pouncer
And this is different than any other fandom how?
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Case in point, the universal letter. Show me anything that the star wars, star trek, anime, or potter fans did on that level of stupid, and I'll bow out of this conversation without another word.
There is nothing wrong with Twilight vampires. They are killing machines. They are the things that dare to hunt the mighty humans, and they do so with no problem. The vampires themselves are perfectly fine unkillable terrors that you are powerless against. They walk in the sunlight; fine. They sparkle; whatever. They kill things and drain them of life; that's what vampires are all about.
The problem with the Twilight series lies solely in the main protagonist. She is a worthless pile of nothing, and anyone that idolizes her, as many girls in our culture do, is a very sad and pathetic person. The story is a basic love story that's not terribly well-written, and is unbelievably emo, but it's not horrible. The only horrible thing about that series is Bella, and everything that thinks she's worthwhile.
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While that, and the whole 'break into your house and watch you while you sleep' thing that edward does, in addition to jacob doing about the same thing. Its like Bella's dad (a sheriff no less) doesn't know how to properly secure his underage daughters room. Multiple things, besides just bella make that series pretty horrible. The fact its been blown up and has a very cult following just adds to it.
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Originally Posted by NarfMann
There is nothing wrong with Twilight vampires. They are killing machines. They are the things that dare to hunt the mighty humans, and they do so with no problem. The vampires themselves are perfectly fine unkillable terrors that you are powerless against. They walk in the sunlight; fine. They sparkle; whatever. They kill things and drain them of life; that's what vampires are all about.
The problem with the Twilight series lies solely in the main protagonist. She is a worthless pile of nothing, and anyone that idolizes her, as many girls in our culture do, is a very sad and pathetic person. The story is a basic love story that's not terribly well-written, and is unbelievably emo, but it's not horrible. The only horrible thing about that series is Bella, and everything that thinks she's worthwhile. |
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Originally Posted by Arbegla
While that, and the whole 'break into your house and watch you while you sleep' thing that edward does, in addition to jacob doing about the same thing. Its like Bella's dad (a sheriff no less) doesn't know how to properly secure his underage daughters room. Multiple things, besides just bella make that series pretty horrible. The fact its been blown up and has a very cult following just adds to it.
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Just want to point out that in alot of different vampire mediums vampires go into peoples rooms and watch them sleep. It's a vampire thing.
But ya as someone like myself being a huge fan of vampires and ghouls and other stuff like that Twilight just doesn't do it for me, I guess cause I'm not a 14 year old girl.(yes I have seen them all so I have the right to judge)
If I want real sexy and hot vampires I'll stick to true blood/southern vampire mysteries and Anna Rice novels tyvm.
oh and Edward eat your heart out 
I must be a sick puppy. I went with my daughter to see these and actually kind of liked the movies. In my defense I did say they would have been better if one of the Vamps had eaten Bella and maybe Edward too. I enjoyed the world setting and the rest of the characters. Wish they had spent more time on some of them.
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Yes, but how many of those would you consider romantic? Because the whole thing with Edward breaking into Bella's house to watch her sleep is supposed to be romantic. And a lot of the girls who read that are going to get the impression that that sort of behavior is romantic instead of, you know, creepy and stalkery.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
Just want to point out that in alot of different vampire mediums vampires go into peoples rooms and watch them sleep. It's a vampire thing.
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Goodbye, I guess.
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You know, a lot seems to be made of that... and I understand why, but I think it is taken a little far (not having read the books, mind you... I did see the first movie though).
I mean, watching over someone as they sleep is not just a creepy pervert thing for someone to do... there is an endearing aspect of it.
I'm not saying that sneaking into a stranger's room and spying on them in whatever state of undress is right... And I think that is where the issue lies for people...
But I don't know... I think Twilight gets hit hard because it is lower quality writing that became enormously popular.
So, every little bit people can harp on... they will.
I'm not saying I really mind that (other than it becoming popular, haha), but it just seems that people needlessly make more of it to trounce Twilight... when it's not really needed.
Even a great number of people who have enjoyed Twilight seem to admit that it is garbage.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
Awww, man this thread is awesome 
I can understand the attraction to Twilight for it's target audience, hell my 14 yr old was a fan for a while until she realised just how rubbish it is, but man, some of those links are genius-level funny
What makes me most amused about Twilight though......so few people seem to notice how much of the basic premise was lifted from Buffy and Angel over 10 yrs ago!
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I mean, watching over someone as they sleep is not just a creepy pervert thing for someone to do... there is an endearing aspect of it.
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Waking in the middle of the night and spending a moment admiring how peaceful and beautiful your girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever looks asleep, smiling, and going back to sleep yourself can be a very heart warming thing.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I mean, watching over someone as they sleep is not just a creepy pervert thing for someone to do... there is an endearing aspect of it.
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Breaking in and standing there not so much. In fact the police here in Halifax are after a few guys who are doing just that. Somehow I doubt it would be ok even if they could sparkle in the sun.
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And Buffy and Angel stole it from Shakespeare, Romeo and Juliet anyone. One meant to kill all the vampires the other a vampire, destined to never be together but they try anyway. Ya Shakespeare.
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Originally Posted by Coin
Awww, man this thread is awesome
I can understand the attraction to Twilight for it's target audience, hell my 14 yr old was a fan for a while until she realised just how rubbish it is, but man, some of those links are genius-level funny What makes me most amused about Twilight though......so few people seem to notice how much of the basic premise was lifted from Buffy and Angel over 10 yrs ago! |
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Originally Posted by TheBruteSquad
Waking in the middle of the night and spending a moment admiring how peaceful and beautiful your girlfriend/boyfriend/whatever looks asleep, smiling, and going back to sleep yourself can be a very heart warming thing.
Breaking in and standing there not so much. In fact the police here in Halifax are after a few guys who are doing just that. Somehow I doubt it would be ok even if they could sparkle in the sun. |
It's somewhat of a classic fantasy trope. The protector watching over the young innocent.
*shrugs*
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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I'd be able to forgive it (still think it'd be weird) IF the person was already there when the other person fell asleep. Like a husband or a boyfriend sleeping in the same bed or maybe if the person is sick and someone stays in the room with them.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
watching over someone you admire as they sleep can certainly be endearing.
It's somewhat of a classic fantasy trope. The protector watching over the young innocent. *shrugs* |
But waking up to find someone you've known for a VERY short time standing over you..... naw, that's just frickin' creepy.
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Originally Posted by Cowman
I'd be able to forgive it (still think it'd be weird) IF the person was already there when the other person fell asleep. Like a husband or a boyfriend sleeping in the same bed or maybe if the person is sick and someone stays in the room with them.
But waking up to find someone you've known for a VERY short time standing over you..... naw, that's just frickin' creepy. |
I think that's the point
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2F...light+Moms.jpg
and this:
http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/2010/02/...erewolves-real
The ENTIRE twilight franchise not just turns vampires into sparkling emo freaks, but it also turns the entire fan base into irrational idiots.
Target audience or not, there just something seriously wrong with people with how blown up this franchise as become.
Ugh I had forgotten about the whole Universal Wolfman thing.... Just goes to show how unintelligent people are.....
I loved the "Twilight Moms" poster.....and the qoute is right on.... IF it were 40 something men screaming for 17 year old girls the cops would have been called......
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