Defenders will become useless?

With the next power proliferation, Corrupters will end up with exactly he same powers as Defenders, including the longed for Psychic Blast.
Therefore, the only difference i see between them now is that one starts critting on a low target - Scourge - the other one starts getting an end discount and a 30prct dmg buff if he's in team, and someone in his team is taking damage.

Tbh i'd go for scourge any day on a Psy/Pain or Psy/Rad corr.

What do you guys think? Am i missing something or are they reducing blaster to the 2nd most useless AT after PBs?

You can always count on Defenders contributing more mitigation and force multiplication to the team, and you can always count on Corruptors contributing more damage to the team.

This is how it has always been and I can't see how proliferation will change anything.

With all of the past changes to the game having people complain that they'd kill an AT, I'm amazed we have any ATs left. I mean, Blasters, Tankers, Defenders, Controllers, Scrappers, Brutes, Stalkers, Corruptors, and the poor Khelds should all be dead by now, right?


Oh wait, they're not? Hmmm...must be some sort of reason for that.


Sorry for the snark, OP, but there's been a lot of AT-doom threads recently for some reason. No, powerset proliferation will not kill Defenders. They will still have the best buff/debuff values out there, and get their buff/debuff powers earlier. They'll still be around after this round of proliferation.

Only their pets actually.

And don't forget that in addition to getting better numbers on their primary, they ALSO get better numbers than anyone else on the secondary effects of their blast set.

i.e. Their sonic blast has more -res debuff than the Corruptor and Blaster versions, their dark blast has more -tohit than the Corruptor and upcoming Blaster versions, etc.

The only exceptions I think are Archery and Fire Blast when it's proliferated, since they doesn't really have any secondary effects.

So a Defender will put out less raw damage than a corruptor, in exchange for being a better buffer / debuffer, with ALL their powers. Thus the bigger the team, the more they contribute as their debuffs multiply everyone's effectiveness.

Joke answer: Defenders can't ever be useless. How else would we have pure heal0rz?

Real answer: Yes, defenders are useless, but so are tankers, scrappers, blasters, controllers, Kheldians, stalkers, brutes, dominators, corruptors, masterminds, and soldiers of arachnos. I only need good players on a team, not good characters. And good players are just ones that know how to have fun.

Purely from a minmaxing perspective, I'll always be willing to consider defenders for the -20% res they get on sonic blast.

Stalker is "technically" useless because at least nobody can debuff/buff better than Defender. You can say Defener has low secondary damage but when it comes to support, Defender's value is still the highest.

What does Stalker excel except for having the best stealth in the game?

Check, Stalker doesn't have the highest ST dps (and even with full team critical bonus, stalker is still behind Scrapper because Scrapper has secondaries that do damage)
Check, Stalker has the lowest aoe potential of all 4 melee ATs
Check, Stalker has the lowest HP cap of all 4 melee ATs
Check, Stalker can't support the way Bane and Night Widow can (double leaderships, venom grenade or mind link)
Check, Stalker is the worst melee AT for soloing AVs/pylon so technically, Stalker isn't even a Single Target Specialist.
Check, Stalker doesn't have unsuppressed stealth in pve so in some situations, Brute/Scrapper (energy aura/dark armor) can stealth in better and take out foes before they are noticed.

Double Check, I am still making stalkers... I have more lvl 50 stalkers than any other melee AT. My highest Brute is still not 50 and my highest Scrapper is lvl 27 and I have no active Tanker.
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I see threads that Brute makes Tanker useless but from my teaming experience, I still think majority of Tankers tank better or at least they care more about "tanking" first than smashing first. Brute is just like a brat demanding buffs so he can run in to smash on his own. :P

The day that Defenders are made obsolete by Corruptors is the very same day that Controllers will be made obsolete by Dominators.

This is by way of (hypothetical) logic:

Dominators have pretty much all control sets as Controllers do, minus Illusion. When perma-dommed, they have controls on par, or better than controllers, mez protection, and better overall damage. If they were to proliferate Illusion Control, then there would be no further need to play controllers when you could play an Illusion Dominator that can attack while his PA soaks up aggro.

...blah blah blah...

Nah...don't really see this happening...in either case. Even IF by chance that ALL sets were proliffed to their respective counterparts, you would still see a mixture of AT's being played. I don't see any AT being "useless" anytime in the forseeable future (save for MAYBE stalkers...and yeah...i do have a few of those too).

So please...leave the dead horse in peace. Poor things been through enough hell.

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Originally Posted by Smiling_Joe ::looks at RaikenX's signature:: Something funny.

What is with these threads? People can't handle having hybrid ATs that overlap, so they have to manufacture these inferiority complexes? Sheesh.

No AT is needed, every AT can get the job done. Enjoy it!