Defenders will become useless?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-07-15 04:48 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
Defenders are far superior to Corruptors on the support side of things. Everything they have heals better, shields better, and debuffs better. For this, they sacrifice damage. Corruptors in turn sacrifice support capability to ride the line between Defenders and Blasters.
Also, Manticore is gonna get dead? 0.o What about every mission he appears in? Nemesis duplicate? How the hell do you kill a character in an MMO without throwing a huge chunk of story and missions out the window!?
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You do this through simple level progression. Things that happen at level 20 come before things that happen at level 21.|
Originally Posted by AkuTenshiiZero
Also, Manticore is gonna get dead? 0.o What about every mission he appears in? Nemesis duplicate? How the hell do you kill a character in an MMO without throwing a huge chunk of story and missions out the window!?
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If Manticore dies in a level 36-40 arc, for instance, he could still be "alive" to run the Manticore TF, which ocurrs between the levels 30-35.
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You do this through simple level progression. Things that happen at level 20 come before things that happen at level 21.
If Manticore dies in a level 36-40 arc, for instance, he could still be "alive" to run the Manticore TF, which ocurrs between the levels 30-35. |
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Again, you don't know a thing about what you're talking about. You said "since Issue 0", however Containment (which is the only thing that brings controller damage above defender damage) was not in launch. It wasn't added until Issue 5.
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Originally Posted by EvilRyu
Again as I said useless, in almost all case a troller is going to out damage them.
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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I prefer defenders over controllers because I like the blast sets. However, after level 32 non Mind controllers became very potent damage dealers, IME. Heck, Illusion and Fire controllers started earlier than that, even back then. True, before the pet swarm it was slower. I use to fight greens if I had to solo my Grav/Storm in IP or DA or TV, and even then it took forever. But once I hit level 34, soloing was easier than most defenders could do it. Freezing Rain and a GDS to disable every spawn while 3 Sings beat them down I could just Lift and GD any bosses. then I got LS too. Ill/Rads were pretty popular even by Issue 2. I used to head to the RCS and solo the up-level 3 boss Rikti spawns in Issue 4.|
Originally Posted by ArcticFahx
Again, you don't know a thing about what you're talking about. You said "since Issue 0", however Containment (which is the only thing that brings controller damage above defender damage) was not in launch. It wasn't added until Issue 5.
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Many people have long felt controllers outclass defenders, this is not a new phenomenon. I disagree, but Containment is not when Controllers got damage.
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So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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I think i kind of agree with some people that Defenders are not that great and almost useless in many circumstances...they where not always this way...they actaully had some fairly good range and damage....their snipers shots could actualy kill even level minions in one shot most of the time.
but due to...i dont know...anger(i really annoyed them during that Arena Test I think)....or something else....the powers got as they like to say..."re-balanced".
The effect was they lowered the blasts damage and range and increased the amount of energy it took to use them and the animation times.
They also went through many secondaries and increased the energy costs again and reduced ranges...enough so that you notice as a controller you can cast the freezing rain for example at a farther distance then a defender.
And by the way for a good laugh....read through the forums.....if they have not erased it.....there should be a topic...telling the developers to play a Psionic blast/storm defender........and the developers proceed to play storm/illusion controllers instead.....and posting how they dont see any issues.
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Greatest Defenders, the TA signature character?|
Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Well the writing is on the wall for defenders, this picture was posted in another thread. Check the top left: "Our greatest DEFENDERS will fall." Clearly the devs intend to entirely eliminate the Defender AT.[snip]
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Manticore dies... and nothing of value was lost. mirite?
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Originally Posted by Silas
Greatest Defenders, the TA signature character?
Manticore dies... and nothing of value was lost. mirite? |
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Of course, the Manticore promo is only one of the potential Signature Characters who may fall. I wonder if there is a similar assertion in the Tanker Threads for the pic with Statesman...
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Originally Posted by Generis
With the next power proliferation, Corrupters will end up with exactly he same powers as Defenders, including the longed for Psychic Blast.
Therefore, the only difference i see between them now is that one starts critting on a low target - Scourge - the other one starts getting an end discount and a 30prct dmg buff if he's in team, and someone in his team is taking damage. Tbh i'd go for scourge any day on a Psy/Pain or Psy/Rad corr. What do you guys think? Am i missing something or are they reducing blaster to the 2nd most useless AT after PBs? |
Short answer. No, defenders won't be useless.
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Keep in mind there is a similar advertisement showing Statesman's shattered helmet. I don't think we know who is going to die yet. Also keep in mind the Devs are rewriting stories and changing and updating things as we speak. Who knows what changes they ACTUALLY have in mind. The Devs probably aren't even sure yet.
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Originally Posted by AkuTenshiiZero
Defenders are far
Also, Manticore is gonna get dead? 0.o What about every mission he appears in? Nemesis duplicate? How the hell do you kill a character in an MMO without throwing a huge chunk of story and missions out the window!? |
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Also note that the game is based on comic book superheroes. Remember the old saying, 'no one stays dead in comic books except Bucky, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben?' Well now it's 'no one stays dead in comic books except... Uncle Ben.'|
Originally Posted by Dark-Water
Keep in mind there is a similar advertisement showing Statesman's shattered helmet. I don't think we know who is going to die yet. Also keep in mind the Devs are rewriting stories and changing and updating things as we speak. Who knows what changes they ACTUALLY have in mind. The Devs probably aren't even sure yet.
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Even if Manticore/Statesman/Whoever dies who's to say they aren't brought back two arcs later?
Or two MISSIONS later?
Well the writing is on the wall for defenders, this picture was posted in another thread. Check the top left: "Our greatest DEFENDERS will fall." Clearly the devs intend to entirely eliminate the Defender AT.
