Why use lvl 30 sets instead of lvl 25 etc


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So I've noticed most mentioning starting slotting sets at level 30 in their characters. I'm curious as why this is. I even tend to notice the level 30 IO sets easier to find/sell versus lower level ones.

One of the reasons why I ask is that I have a lvl 22 Warshade who I've already started putting level 25 sets into to gain recharge bonuses (such as LotG and Positron's Blast). I didn't see a dramatic difference in percentage points between that and level 30 sets. I figured I could shoot for set bonuses now and upgrade the IOs to higher level versions as I get higher in level. Am I missing something basic here?

(Sorry if this is the wrong forum, but I figure you all seem to know the most on IO's etc.)


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Probably mostly a personal choice, but a level 30 IO is comparable to a level 50 SO so far as I can remember. For me though, level 30 is a nice balance between "I want to be able to exempt down" and "I want my IOs to give me good enchancement percentages, if not level 50". If that makes sense.

Also, level 30 is where some of the higher IO sets start -- Numina, for example. It's rare that I use a set that caps below level 30 or doesn't even begin until 35... for the latter, I'm only familiar with one of the sniper sets that I've used a couple of times. Level 30 is where you have the greatest variety of IOs available (set IOs). Which is actually why I don't like random rolls in that level, there's a greater number of junk sets that you can wind up with.

For generic IOs, I'd guess the "30 IO is comparable to a 50 SO" theory is the driving force.



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It gets mathy.

A lot of it depends on how you IO while you level up.

I think most people do one of these two things:
1) Storebought for the lower levels, Generic IO's at 25 or 30, fancy stuff at 50
2) Storebought for the lower levels, "frankenslot" at some point between 25 and 35, fancy stuff at 50

In case 1), a L25 generic IO is a little worse than a "white" SO. and distinctly worse than a +3 "Green" SO. (+3 green SO is 38.3% or so, white SO is 33.3%, L25 generic is 32%. ) A L30 is 35.2% or something, so about as good as decently-upkept SOs and a whole lot easier.

In case 2), L25 frankenslotting is still about the same as +3 greens. 32% * 0.625 = 20%/20% so two of those will give you 40%/40%. L30 gives you 44%/44%, a noticeable difference compared to the 38.3%/38.3% from a pair of +3 greens (L35 gives you about 46%. L50 gives you 53%.)

One practical "availability" reason to slot 30's is that invading Rikti and zombies drop 30's. So there's a spike in availability.

Personally I tend to frankenslot a little bit at L22 (L25 acc/dam pairs for convenience) but don't really frankenslot till about level 30-32. Then in the 45-50 range I start slotting for high-end stuff, if I'm going to at all. I've got a tendency to overdesign, though.

This is probably a little incoherent, because I've done this math so much it's obvious to me.


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I usually go for level 34 - 37 myself. I don't typically exemplar in anything below it very often and most of that stuff is pretty easy to where my purple and pvp sets will still help me.


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Thunderstrike and Crushing Impact become available at level 30, and are two of the staple sets for most of my characters. Also, at 27 I usually have enough slots to start filling out my attack powers to accomodate sets for the good bonuses.

I have slotted other sets lower on, eg Kinetic Combat or occasionally Positron's Blast, but yes, they are hard to find at lower levels. There is no real reson why you should hold off if you have them though - the percentage point differences are small.


 

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All the answers in this thread are good ones, but honestly, I've been slogging through on storebought SO's until 42 on the last few toons.

Why?

I'm so freakin' cheap, the mid-level salvage prices drive me insane.

I'd rather suffer a few more levels and then IO out.

And yeah, I could clear out a few salvage bins and roll commons and stock up....but I am ridiculously lazy, to boot.


 

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I slot anything I can find or roll as soon as I get it. I tend not to upgrade later. I have 3 incarnated characters with multiple level 14 IOs slotted.


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I'm going to be all macho on the internet and take a stand: That right there is wrong. Wrong, I say!
Hehe, I agree completely.

But I am so godsawful at creating character builds that I'm actually AFRAID to respec them. And they work as they are. The last two times I tried to respec any of my characters they actually ended up missing critical powers and coming out weaker than before the respec. So, I don't do that anymore.

I've thought about upgrading to a higher level version of the same IO, but then I think "well, it works so I'll just sell this instead of slotting it". Sigh.


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Hehe, I agree completely.

But I am so godsawful at creating character builds that I'm actually AFRAID to respec them. And they work as they are. The last two times I tried to respec any of my characters they actually ended up missing critical powers and coming out weaker than before the respec. So, I don't do that anymore.

I've thought about upgrading to a higher level version of the same IO, but then I think "well, it works so I'll just sell this instead of slotting it". Sigh.
but what's the point of selling something if you don't use the influence to buy stuff to upgrade your build?


 

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If you want to keep costs down, lvl 25 sets don't require the 1+ mil rare/orange salvage. For example, lv 25 Sciroco's dervish requires yelllow salv but lvl 26+ requires orange salvage.


 

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I slot 30-33's because they exemplar down well for TFs, and also as a relic from the time I've spent in Sirens Call.


 

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but what's the point of selling something if you don't use the influence to buy stuff to upgrade your build?
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I've personally burned more than 100 billion inf, although I can only prove 65 billion of that in SG prestige. My total invested in actual characters is ... maybe 5 bn?


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but what's the point of selling something if you don't use the influence to buy stuff to upgrade your build?
I have lots of alts that aren't finished. And I'm building a fetish collection of purples in my villain base. I keep telling myself I'll slot them once I have a build that uses them.


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I slot common I/O's at level 15 and let them sit till I can slot 25's.

On some powers like Entrapment I can get 3 slots worth effect from slotting 3 cheap triples at level 15 so I do that as well.

Around 20 I start planning what I would like to slot, bidding and crafting and storing in my SG base so that when I hit 27 I can slot my sets at 30.

I don't exempt all that often, but I enjoy have the effects of the set bonuses in place on the ride from 30 to 50. So I slot at 30. I also like to slot procs as low as I can so my 50 who are able get hero merits and buy level 15 stealth procs and the very hard to find quads and and triples of sets I want to slot at 30.

Plus, it's more challenging to puts sets together at 30 as the market is a lot skimpier.

As far as what to spend money on besides toon upgrades, Like Fulmens, I have spent a lot (3 or 4 billion represents about 15% of my wealth) on Supergroup bases on various servers. I have some 70 toons that I eventually plan to level, most them will just get good I/O sets, almost no purples so there is only so much money you can spend playing like that.


 

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Originally Posted by GavinRuneblade View Post
I slot anything I can find or roll as soon as I get it. I tend not to upgrade later. I have 3 incarnated characters with multiple level 14 IOs slotted.
I really hope these are Kismet/Karma/Achilles Heel/Steadfast Protection procs...


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I just use lev 25 commons until i hit 50. Why? I don't spend hours in WW looking for 0 IO's under 50. When i do try to IO a toon at 22 with lev 25's (frankenslotting) i can never find any. So, i just wait until i hit 50 and use lev 50s. The purples go with me when i exmp so i don't really tell any difference in my toons performances.


 

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I really hope these are Kismet/Karma/Achilles Heel/Steadfast Protection procs...
Sigh. I wish.

As an example, My fire/shield brute has a bunch of below 20 serendipities and 2 that are mid 30s. Plus one gambler proc and two pieces of gift of the ancients that are both level 40. Those are all the defense pieces she has slotted.

Her attacks have anything from bruising blow, smashing haymaker, crushing impact, and I think a full set of salvo and a couple pieces of ruin in gloom. I'll be trading those out for thunderstrikes eventually. Probably.


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If you don't trust yourself with a respec, couldn't you just put new, higher-level items in the same slots? Level 40 serendips instead of level 18? Step on them and squish them!
But why would I slot what I can sell? My character works as-is. =)

If I got more level 30 serendips I'd be rather likely to slot them, but the 40s I can't stop myself from selling. And since I can't roll for anything but my level or max level, I never get anything but 40s (except on my lowbie ticket farmers who are 15 and 20 so they aren't offering much of an upgrade anyway).

I either need inflation to obliterate the value of my drops so I have no motive to craft and sell, or to actually be able to select the level range of random rolls. Sigh. I'm doomed, because the market isn't. =)


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But why would I slot what I can sell? My character works as-is. =)

If I got more level 30 serendips I'd be rather likely to slot them, but the 40s I can't stop myself from selling. And since I can't roll for anything but my level or max level, I never get anything but 40s (except on my lowbie ticket farmers who are 15 and 20 so they aren't offering much of an upgrade anyway).

I either need inflation to obliterate the value of my drops so I have no motive to craft and sell, or to actually be able to select the level range of random rolls. Sigh. I'm doomed, because the market isn't. =)
Ive been wanting that since the market came out. A way to select the levels of the rolls. Always getting the maximum level of IOs is making everything else more expensive because of the supply and demand theory.


 

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Ive been wanting that since the market came out. A way to select the levels of the rolls. Always getting the maximum level of IOs is making everything else more expensive because of the supply and demand theory.
Agree. Been wanting the slider to work for random rolls since inception. Doubt it will happen though.


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