DCnU story casualties.....
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Antigonus,
Posted on: 2011-07-08 21:50 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Thank's Sevenpenny.
I'm gonna quote this in the other thread about the reboot.
God, reading that just nailed it home how ham-fisted this reboot is. Well...at least I have the 20+ years of stuff to get from the time of CoIE.
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arent most reboots ham-fisted?|
Originally Posted by Dark One
God, reading that just nailed it home how ham-fisted this reboot is. Well...at least I have the 20+ years of stuff to get from the time of CoIE.
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for some reason I just thought of Homer Simpson saying....mmmmmm ham....
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Could have sworn they said all the latest GL stuff still has happened.
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*Goes to read my entire run of Wolfman / Perez New Teen Titans*|
Originally Posted by Sevenpenny
possible casualties from what DC is calling a "soft" reboot..... linkage
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-Will stop after Perez leaves on New Teen Titans #6 (Baxter)
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probably since it is geoff johns stuff...but they also were strongly denying that this was a reboot , but rather a relaunch and now its a soft reboot...
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Originally Posted by ObiWan
Could have sworn they said all the latest GL stuff still has happened.
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I've been reading comics for 20+ years and instead of getting pissed about this author forgetting what this other one did 30 years ago, or on the previous run a month ago, I just treat it as "it happened on Earth 2" and think of all the stories as separate.
As someone else mentioned, this DCnU thing is most likely on an Earth somewhere in the multi-verse and the DCU Earth we've been reading since post Crisis still exists elsewhere.
@Joshua.
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Yeah, I'm gonna look at it this way, too. Otherwise, I'd just get too p.o.'ed.
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Originally Posted by Forefinger_
I've been reading comics for 20+ years and instead of getting pissed about this author forgetting what this other one did 30 years ago, or on the previous run a month ago, I just treat it as "it happened on Earth 2" and think of all the stories as separate.
As someone else mentioned, this DCnU thing is most likely on an Earth somewhere in the multi-verse and the DCU Earth we've been reading since post Crisis still exists elsewhere. |
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No problem.. I recently stopped buying new stuff aside of two series.
So for me I will buy the back issues and all new stuff is a seperate universe for me!
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My love/hate relationship with continuity ended ages ago. These days, I simply enjoy it when it's done well and ignore it otherwise. (I ignore a lot of new comics these days.)
Incidentally, this list leaves off the entire Wildstorm lineup, whose heroes are now somehow being incorporated into the regular DCU - a bizarre notion since so many of their characters were conceived as grim 'n' gritty analogues to DC's canonical heroes in order to comment on them.
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Originally Posted by Forefinger_
I've been reading comics for 20+ years and instead of getting pissed about this author forgetting what this other one did 30 years ago, or on the previous run a month ago, I just treat it as "it happened on Earth 2" and think of all the stories as separate.
As someone else mentioned, this DCnU thing is most likely on an Earth somewhere in the multi-verse and the DCU Earth we've been reading since post Crisis still exists elsewhere. |
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So long as they completely wipe out all the Hawk becoming Monarch/Extant garbage I'll be happy with the reboot. I actually liked Hawk and Dove as characters and was really annoyed at how and why they turned Hawk into Monarch. They didn't do it because it was planned all along. They did it because somebody at DC let slip that Captain Atom was Monarch. Since DC still wanted the reveal to be a shocker they just randomly grabbed some other b list hero and used him instead.
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No Monarch? Does that mean 21 and 24 are also going bye-bye?|
Originally Posted by Mandu
So long as they completely wipe out all the Hawk becoming Monarch/Extant garbage I'll be happy with the reboot. I actually liked Hawk and Dove as characters and was really annoyed at how and why they turned Hawk into Monarch. They didn't do it because it was planned all along. They did it because somebody at DC let slip that Captain Atom was Monarch. Since DC still wanted the reveal to be a shocker they just randomly grabbed some other b list hero and used him instead.
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Grim and gritty?|
Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
My love/hate relationship with continuity ended ages ago. These days, I simply enjoy it when it's done well and ignore it otherwise. (I ignore a lot of new comics these days.)
Incidentally, this list leaves off the entire Wildstorm lineup, whose heroes are now somehow being incorporated into the regular DCU - a bizarre notion since so many of their characters were conceived as grim 'n' gritty analogues to DC's canonical heroes in order to comment on them. |
Grifter and Vodoo never seemed grim and gritty to me, in Wildstorm (at least in the beginning, maybe they changed them). And Grifter's solo runs never seemed gritty to me either.
And if they bother to bring in Gen-13, that was a title that wasn't grim and gritty either.
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At Wildstorm's apex, Ed Brubaker's Sleeper (including its prequel with Grifter) was nothing but grim grittiness on one hand, and on the other, Alan Moore's Judgment Day was a metacommentary on that whole sub-genre he helped launch with Watchmen. The "widescreen" Strormwatch/Authority, especially under Mark Millar, was gritty grimness writ large. Gen¹³ struck me as the shiny counterbalance to all that but not representative.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
Grim and gritty?
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None of those G&G titles will be an easy tonal fit into DC's operatic/mythic cast, but that kind of problem isn't stopping the editors from reincorporating/retconning the Vertigo-titled characters into the DCU either. (Moore's going to be predictably furious at their treatment of John Constantine.)
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Originally Posted by TrueGentleman
None of those G&G titles will be an easy tonal fit into DC's operatic/mythic cast, but that kind of problem isn't stopping the editors from reincorporating/retconning the Vertigo-titled characters into the DCU either. (Moore's going to be predictably furious at their treatment of John Constantine.)
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I hadn't realized this. Does this mean no more Vertigo? I thought that line was always held apart from the regular universe and as such wouldn't be subjected to this reboot.
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The imprint and creator-owned series are probably safe as long as the TP collections sell. Individual titles with characters who originated in the superhero universe, such as Animal Man, Shade, and Swamp Thing, are to be reincorporated into the mainstream DCU. John Constantine, though, is being split between soloing in Vertigo's Hellblazer series and team-ups in DC's magic-themed Justice League Dark. It'll probably be handwaved away with alternate universes, time travel, evil wizards, or somesuch bollocks.
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Originally Posted by Antigonus
Does this mean no more Vertigo? I thought that line was always held apart from the regular universe and as such wouldn't be subjected to this reboot.
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From what I gather Wildstorm is still it's own separate world (Earth 40 or something like that), but some Wildstorm characters are being incorporated into the regular DC. Likely some of their backgrounds and origins will change a bit. Voodoo and Grifter for example exist without the WILD Cats team and all the back story from that. Apollo and Midnighter are likewise new DC universe versions of themselves, though apparently still gay.
There is some speculation that the Flashpoint: Project Superman is laying the foundation for Apollo's DC backstory
I'm going to miss the JSA though. With them making Superman the first Superhero and the JLA the first team it's pretty clear that the WW2 heroes are being erased or at the very least buried and forgotten.
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Yeah. Johns wrote them and made them big a few years ago, now he is throwing them out. Wonder if we will start getting Earth 2 stories in a year or so?
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Originally Posted by Psyguard
I'm going to miss the JSA though. With them making Superman the first Superhero and the JLA the first team it's pretty clear that the WW2 heroes are being erased or at the very least buried and forgotten.
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They may go a double route with the JLA being the first super group. It may be the JSA is really the first super group. A secret history that will be discovered by the JLA later. They may have been Government Joes used for PR and morale in WW2 or a version of the suicide squad or even better they still exist and are surprised/upset over JLA going public. May be they come out of the shadows to aid the JLA when they least expect it.
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Originally Posted by Justice Blues
Yeah. Johns wrote them and made them big a few years ago, now he is throwing them out. Wonder if we will start getting Earth 2 stories in a year or so?
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Dude, I hope you are in comics, because the scenarios you just came up with sound so much better than several of the DCnU series that are starting up.
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I thought this was the biggest travesty ever. They sacrificed the Hawk & Dove series (which was still doing ok sales wise iirc) just so some editor could save face. Then to show how much coordination the DC Editor's had, Dove shows up in the War of the Gods mini a couple of months later.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
So long as they completely wipe out all the Hawk becoming Monarch/Extant garbage I'll be happy with the reboot. I actually liked Hawk and Dove as characters and was really annoyed at how and why they turned Hawk into Monarch. They didn't do it because it was planned all along. They did it because somebody at DC let slip that Captain Atom was Monarch. Since DC still wanted the reveal to be a shocker they just randomly grabbed some other b list hero and used him instead.
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Actually, at the time a friend with connections at DC said Hawk and Dove were specifically thrown under the bus (following the Captain Atom fiasco) as a Take That to the title's author, who had just left the company with bad blood. Take it for what it's worth.
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