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Originally Posted by Stealth_Bomber
Here's my guess on Dark Blast:
1. Dark Blast 2. Gloom 3. Moonbeam 4. Something like Dark Detonation from Umbral Blast (Should be an AoE, but can't be Night Fall or Torrent or Tentacles) 5. Aim 6. Abyssal Gaze (DoT Hold) 7. Umbral Torrent (Night Fall/Torrent combo) 8. Life Drain 9. Blackstar And Darkness Mastery: 1. Gravimetric Snare (Probably named differently but the power from Umbral Blast set) 2. Shadow Punch 3. Smite 4. Dark Pit (Mag 2 AoE Stun) 5. Build Up (or maybe Soul Drain) 6. Shadow Fall (maybe single target Stealth instead of PBAoE? Doubt it will have the Defender resists, so it might have a different name) 7. Shadow Maul 8. Touch of Fear 9. Midnight Grasp |
Isn't Blackstar a PBAoE? If so, I would love if they made a targeted AoE for the nuke. I don't care if the secondary is blap, but PLEASE make the primary a ranged monster!
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It depends on how much ToHit Debuff the Blaster powers have. For Corruptors and Defenders, it's -7.5% in most of the blasts, but Night Fall for Blasters is -5%, while Soul Tentacles is 0%. |
Originally Posted by Le Blanc
Isn't Blackstar a PBAoE? If so, I would love if they made a targeted AoE for the nuke. I don't care if the secondary is blap, but PLEASE make the primary a ranged monster!
AND NO DAMN CONES!! (wishful thinking there I know) |
Blackstar has -50% ToHit Debuff for support ATs. Even if that drops to 30-35% for us, that's a survivable PBAoE nuke.
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It won't have it. There was no mention of Life Drain being changed so you have one attack/heal power. I could maybe see Siphon Life since it's an attack/heal as well, but there's simply no way DR gets in.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Look at it this way: You're betting Dark Manipulation will not include Dark Regeneration. If you lose, that means you can make a blaster with Dark Regeneration.
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Originally Posted by Amy_Amp
It won't have it. There was no mention of Life Drain being changed so you have one attack/heal power. I could maybe see Siphon Life since it's an attack/heal as well, but there's simply no way DR gets in.
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After issue 21 comes out, you can send that 769m and some change to @StratoNexus. Dark Regeneration will not be a blaster power. I have never wanted to lose 500m influence so badly before.|
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
From what I understand, you intend to bet against the Dark Regeneration inclusion, so it's the reverse. Every 13 units bet will return 7, plus what you put down. So if you win, you'd get 500m*(7/13)+500m = 769m and some change.
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Originally Posted by SinisterDirge
No one thinks Soul Transfer will make into dark manipulation?
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Originally Posted by Hatred666
My take on Dark Manipulation:
1. Tenebrous Tentacle 2. Shadow Punch 3. Smite 4. Death Shroud 5. Build Up 6. Black Hole 7. Dark Consumption 8. Cloak of Fear 9. Dark Pit |
If they are shooting for something consistent with current blaster secondaries this would have my vote. The AoE immobilize and sutn puts it solidly at the top of current sets. Most of the other guesses are reasonable, but way overpowered relative to what is already available.
There is at least one "dark" themed power that would be absolutely fitting for a blaster (high damage, low-survival AT) that could be a heal in Dark Manipulation: Stygian Circle.
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this elsewhere, but it certainly fits the idea of "defeat them as fast as you can if you want to stay alive" while not being as potent as Dark Regeneration is.
Also, 400 million *against* Dark Regeneration happening. Hell, I doubt if Stygian Circle would be considered, even though I think it would fit well with Blasters.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Extremely unlikely it will keep Tenebrous Tentacles. Soul Mastery has Soul Tentacles, which is Tenebrous Tentacles in everything except name, in every other respect it is mechanically identical.
I'm betting it will be replaced with Dark Obliteration. |
I wish they'd keep it in there.. I love the dark blast tentacles rather than the shiny/girly GW version. But, eh, that's just me. & Soul Tentacles does kind of have seniority over TT, having been available to blasters longer.
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Originally Posted by GATTACA
Soul Tentacles does kind of have seniority over TT, having been available to blasters longer.
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As of right now, there are quite a few blasters with Soul Tentacles, while there are exactly zero with Tenebrous Tentacles because Dark Blast does npt exist yet for blasters.
It makes much more sense (and can't possibly break any characters) if they make the changes to the set that hasn't been introduced yet, than it does to try and alter a pre-existing Patron Pool in order to not have to change Dark Blast.
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Well, I'm glad some people are excited. I don't really like shooting skulls, so I gave up on Dark Blast awhile ago. *sighs* And I guess I'll have to wait a little longer for a Martial Arts as a Secondary... at least they acknowledged it in the Ustream (along with saying Blasters are done for porting somehow... even though they still don't have many secondaries).
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I took "done" to mean the Dark powerset port work for I21 is "done" not "we are done with Blasters forever".
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Originally Posted by Grey Pilgrim
Well, I'm glad some people are excited. I don't really like shooting skulls, so I gave up on Dark Blast awhile ago. *sighs* And I guess I'll have to wait a little longer for a Martial Arts as a Secondary... at least they acknowledged it in the Ustream (along with saying Blasters are done for porting somehow... even though they still don't have many secondaries).
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Originally Posted by Stealth_Bomber
I took "done" to mean the Dark powerset port work for I21 is "done" not "we are done with Blasters forever".
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I actually think it will include TT.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Extremely unlikely it will keep Tenebrous Tentacles. Soul Mastery has Soul Tentacles, which is Tenebrous Tentacles in everything except name, in every other respect it is mechanically identical.
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For one thing, there was no mention of it being removed.
Second, Dark Blast is specifically mentioned as being "a fun control centric blast set for Blasters." and since we already know it's losing Dark Pit, if it ALSO loses TT then the -only- control it'd have is a single target hold and the Nightfall/Torrent mashup. Two powers does not a "control centric" set make.
Finally (and semi-non-seriously), screw Soul Tentacles and it's skinny-*** cone. (And while we're at it, screw Nightfall and it's even skinnier cone.)
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Alright, I'm getting too much action against Dark Regen. I'll honor the old odds for anyone else, but any new bets will be made at 9:1 against Dark Regeneration.|
Originally Posted by Mind_Over_Matter
Also, 400 million *against* Dark Regeneration happening. Hell, I doubt if Stygian Circle would be considered, even though I think it would fit well with Blasters.
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Hmm. You're probably right. The description was pretty precise. Merge Nightfall with torrent and remove Dark Pit filling the empty power slots with Aim and that ST hold. Pity. I was kinda hoping for a targeted AoE a la Dark Obliteration. And I dislike that there will be similar, even if not exactly the same, powered between the Dark Blast and Soul Mastery APP. Oh well, I guess my Dark/Dark/Soul will have plenty of space for power pools.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
I actually think it will include TT.
For one thing, there was no mention of it being removed. Second, Dark Blast is specifically mentioned as being "a fun control centric blast set for Blasters." and since we already know it's losing Dark Pit, if it ALSO loses TT then the -only- control it'd have is a single target hold and the Nightfall/Torrent mashup. Two powers does not a "control centric" set make. Finally (and semi-non-seriously), screw Soul Tentacles and it's skinny-*** cone. (And while we're at it, screw Nightfall and it's even skinnier cone.) |
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Originally Posted by Soul Plague
Hmm. You're probably right. The description was pretty precise. Merge Nightfall with torrent and remove Dark Pit filling the empty power slots with Aim and that ST hold.
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As far as I'm aware, Blaster Dark Blast hasn't even hit beta yet, and I highly doubt the devs are going to tell us exactly how the set is going to be set up before it's even beta tested.
For example: Since I was in Going Rogue closed beta, I happen to know that Electric Control originally had a combination stun/damage aura that was later deemed to be too powerful and removed. Can you imagine the outcry if they had said to the players as a whole "Electric Control will definitely have a stun/damage aura" prior to having decided that it was too powerful to be left in the set, and then the set went live without the power they promised would be there?
That's why the devs NEVER tell us that something is 100% sure to happen with a power set when they first announce it. I am quite sure Dark Blast for Blasters will be tweaked several times before it goes live, so I'm not taking what they've told us about it so far as gospel truth.
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Just because that's all they told us about on the first day they mentioned it, doesn't mean that is ALL that is being done.
As far as I'm aware, Blaster Dark Blast hasn't even hit beta yet, and I highly doubt the devs are going to tell us exactly how the set is going to be set up before it's even beta tested. For example: Since I was in Going Rogue closed beta, I happen to know that Electric Control originally had a combination stun/damage aura that was later deemed to be too powerful and removed. Can you imagine the outcry if they had said to the players as a whole "Electric Control will definitely have a stun/damage aura" prior to having decided that it was too powerful to be left in the set, and then the set went live without the power they promised would be there? That's why the devs NEVER tell us that something is 100% sure to happen with a power set when they first announce it. I am quite sure Dark Blast for Blasters will be tweaked several times before it goes live, so I'm not taking what they've told us about it so far as gospel truth. |
I'm very glad to see that we will be getting a ST hold blast in the set, and that Torrent will not be its own power. Outside of that and the powers that they have told us will be in Dark Manipulation (Smite, Shadow Maul, Midnight Grasp, and Dark Pit) I am not making any assumptions nor getting my hopes up for anything until it hits test.
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Their description for blast sounded pretty clear as they talked about specific powers (such as umbral torrent, abyssal gaze and aim). They also mentioned it would have a bit of a controllery feel to it. So a ST hold, cone KB, and a cone immob fits. I might prefer to see some kind of targetted AoE like dark oblit (like instead of Aim... kidding) but there didn't seem to be any indication of it. |
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Just because that's all they told us about on the first day they mentioned it, doesn't mean that is ALL that is being done.
As far as I'm aware, Blaster Dark Blast hasn't even hit beta yet, and I highly doubt the devs are going to tell us exactly how the set is going to be set up before it's even beta tested. For example: Since I was in Going Rogue closed beta, I happen to know that Electric Control originally had a combination stun/damage aura that was later deemed to be too powerful and removed. Can you imagine the outcry if they had said to the players as a whole "Electric Control will definitely have a stun/damage aura" prior to having decided that it was too powerful to be left in the set, and then the set went live without the power they promised would be there? That's why the devs NEVER tell us that something is 100% sure to happen with a power set when they first announce it. I am quite sure Dark Blast for Blasters will be tweaked several times before it goes live, so I'm not taking what they've told us about it so far as gospel truth. |
If anything, they seemed to be hedging their bets with the dark manipulation, what with them saying it could contain powers from just about every Dark set out there (although they did mention the melee and dark pit)
But you're right. It's still not in beta and they weren't explicit in listing all powers in it, so it's very possible my expectations are off.
It's fun to speculate though.
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Originally Posted by Oathbound
I actually think it will include TT.
For one thing, there was no mention of it being removed. Second, Dark Blast is specifically mentioned as being "a fun control centric blast set for Blasters." and since we already know it's losing Dark Pit, if it ALSO loses TT then the -only- control it'd have is a single target hold and the Nightfall/Torrent mashup. Two powers does not a "control centric" set make. Finally (and semi-non-seriously), screw Soul Tentacles and it's skinny-*** cone. (And while we're at it, screw Nightfall and it's even skinnier cone.) |
Thought I can say if I make a dark blaster it will probably be Dark Dark and I will more then likely get soul mastery so I can double stack tentacles. >
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Soul Tentacles already exists in blaster Soul Mastery. It's a carbon copy. Ergo TT will not be a part of Dark Blast. It really is that simple.
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Originally Posted by teflonshugenja
Soul Tentacles already exists in blaster Soul Mastery. It's a carbon copy. Ergo TT will not be a part of Dark Blast. It really is that simple.
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They are far from identical. TT recharges in half the time and has a -tohit debuff, costs less endurance, and has a much wider cone.
Not so simple, eh?
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Here's my guess on Dark Blast:
1. Dark Blast
2. Gloom
3. Moonbeam
4. Something like Dark Detonation from Umbral Blast (Should be an AoE, but can't be Night Fall or Torrent or Tentacles)
5. Aim
6. Abyssal Gaze (DoT Hold)
7. Umbral Torrent (Night Fall/Torrent combo)
8. Life Drain
9. Blackstar
And Darkness Mastery:
1. Gravimetric Snare (Probably named differently but the power from Umbral Blast set)
2. Shadow Punch
3. Smite
4. Dark Pit (Mag 2 AoE Stun)
5. Build Up (or maybe Soul Drain)
6. Shadow Fall (maybe single target Stealth instead of PBAoE? Doubt it will have the Defender resists, so it might have a different name)
7. Shadow Maul
8. Touch of Fear
9. Midnight Grasp
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