Yes yes yes!!

I remember reading your thread in the suggestion section last year and actually thought of it again when I read about the new set. Grats!

Freasome stare is considerably more powerful than shiver, -tohit, and effectively a hold.

Cloak of darkness non suppressing defense at about the level of weave ? Enhanced this power would give 5 points to all positions and types ?

Soul drain + a damage aura ? Permanent build up levels of damage buff ?

Hope your right, it might get me to roll a new blaster

Have to agree about Fearsome Stare, I find Touch of Fear far more likely, if they get a fear power.

CoD could be changed to match Devices>Cloaking device with 1.75% defense suppressing.

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Please please dont merge one of my favorite dark blast powers powers with my least favorite (torrent) and make it have KB. NO KB! NO KB!

I'll second the NO KB sentiment. I want range and lotsa ST.

This is probably close, but not exact. Synapse said in the announcement that Dark Manipulation "would be a combination of Dark Melee, Defender Dark Blast, and Dark Miasma," then they mentioned in the U-Stream that it will include three melee attacks (Smite, Shadow Maul, and Midnight Grasp) and Dark Pit from Defender Dark Blast. I don't know how likely it is that we will see any powers from Dark Armor, despite Cloak of Darkness being quite fitting.

Cloak of Darkness would be OK, but I'd rather see Shadow Fall.

I'm also hoping to see Soul Drain, though if we do, I expect it to be late in the set - probably T6 or T7.

Considering Dark Armor was one of the sets specifically mentioned as being part of Dark manipulation, I'd say odds are surprisingly good.

I'm going to go out on a Limb and say that they're actually going to include Cloak of Fear (it's semi-analogous to World of Confusion).

@Oathbound & @Oathbound Too

Excellent. I'll conduct the whole thing through email, that should be easiest.

Great, I'll put you down for 100m against. Unless you'd like to play with more?

I could see it happening.

Though if they don't adjust the values of accuracy and end consumption we will end up with a power that a lot of people will end up skipping anyway.

We won't be getting Oppressive Gloom, because it's already available in Soul Mastery.

In my opinion, getting Dark Regeneration is a pipe dream, unless they tweak it to be similar to Drain Psyche. I don't think one of two ATs that lack any form of true self heal in any primary or secondary will suddenly be given the best self heal in the game. I've been wrong before, but that just really doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

So you're in, too? For just 100m or will you be betting more?

OK. I am not good at this whole odds thing. How much do I win if I bet 500 million influence against?

It has KB. I hope it is like Energy Torrent and is at least 60%, although I'd be happy with 80 or 100 as well. If it is 50 or lower, I'll be a little sad (unless they remove the KB, which would also be OK with me).

I'm loving the fact of Dark/Dark blasters. I've wanted to use dark blast since I started, but nothing panned out for me. One of the problems I'm having trouble with is seeing Shadow Maul in the secondary. I mean, I loved Shadow Maul as much as any Dark melee scrapper. But do we want to port that over to blasters & have them stuck bipping & bapping for 2-3 seconds, that could mean death early in the levels (Not to mention if it misses, I mean everyone has used Sands of Mu early on & paid the piper)..

Unless Shadow Maul would come late, unlikely to me. I see it where Bone Smasher is placed, Lv10. So, I may be completely wrong here, but I'm going ahead & saying Shadow Punch & Smite will be the melees, with Midnight Grasp in/around Lv38.

I'll weigh in on Dark Regeneration, Tenebrous Tentacles, & Life Drain:

Dark Regeneration? No. It's a pipe dream.

Tenebrous Tentacles? 50/50 shot here. I love the whole feel of the attack when I had it on my rad/dark defender, I can only imagine it with blaster damage. But with the devs combining Torrent & Night Fall (Smart move IMO) we may not see it. But then again there are cone heavy sets.

--Side Note: I find it more likely that Dark Obliteration will be somewhere in the primary set the more I think about it. Basing this off of Dark's lack of targeted AoE in Corruptor & Defender form. Which could possible knock Tenebrous Tentacles out of the set. My thoughts: Keep both :P--

Life Drain: I'm hoping they keep it in the primary, that'd be sweeeet.

65:35 will boil down to 13:7, which is a terribly outrageous number when it comes to doing the math. I should have picked something cleaner.

Regardless, what 13:7 means is that for every 7 units bet, you'll get 13 returned, plus what you put down. That's if you're betting that they do get Dark Regeneration.

If you were to bet 500m that Blasters get Dark Regen, you'd stand to win 500m*(13/7)+500m, which is over 1.4 billion.

From what I understand, you intend to bet against the Dark Regeneration inclusion, so it's the reverse. Every 13 units bet will return 7, plus what you put down. So if you win, you'd get 500m*(7/13)+500m = 769m and some change.



In case anyone hasn't noticed, these odds do not favor me at all since I'm effectively offering 100% pay out. If the same amount is bet on both sides, then everything that paid in will pay back out. Were I truly a bookie, I'd have given much different odds. Say a 2:1 payout if you bet for Dark Regen, but a 1:5 if you bet against. That way I would be more likely to walk away with a cut of the pot. As it stands, the only way I can win is if the winning side has less money bet on it than the other.

Ah well. This will still be fun.

You're right, my bad. I misread the original announcement and read "Dark Melee" instead of "Dark Armor."

We can still expect to see Smite, Shadow Maul, Midnight Grasp, and Dark Pit, as per the comments from yesterday's U-Stream. Should be a set chock-full of utility.

Extremely unlikely it will keep Tenebrous Tentacles. Soul Mastery has Soul Tentacles, which is Tenebrous Tentacles in everything except name, in every other respect it is mechanically identical.

I'm betting it will be replaced with Dark Obliteration.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Sure, put me down for 100 mil.

I can probably scrape that together if I lose.

I learned a long time ago never to make a bet you can't cover in the event you lose said bet.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Bah. I read what was changing and still somehow thought T.T. and Nightfall were being merged. I think I'm going to be saddened in how Dark Blast will be for corrs and defenders now, but it will be a wait and see. T.T. offers no way to counter KB.

I hadn't yet read that they rolled Torrent and Night Fall together. If that means it's now just Energy Torrent gone darkside, then that's awesome.

Look at it this way: You're betting Dark Manipulation will not include Dark Regeneration. If you lose, that means you can make a blaster with Dark Regeneration.

Is that still really losing?

Truth!

So happy to see this one. I've tried to make my Corrs & Fenders fill the gap, but it really isn't the same as a Dark/Dark Blaster!

OK, I see knockback added to Night Fall as a gigantic fail, even if it does improve the cone shape/size. How do you see it as a win?