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It's funny, I've been looking at poison combos the last few days, wondering if they were ever going to proliferate it. Naturally I'm interested in Mind/Poison-- clickiest build since mind/kin, eh? Heck of a lot of single-target clicks. Might even reroll my original main (mind/emp) as a mind/poison. I played 30 levels of thugs/poison, though I'm not sure I explored the outermost limits of the set. Isn't it pretty good with soloing elite bosses, etc? I wonder how that positions Mind/Poison exactly.
Seems like it might be effective with Fire too, and certainly appealing conceptually with plant/. Or even earth/.
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If this PBAOE toggle is on par with the existing power you put on your henchmen, then this could be quite powerful indeed. I've always thought my 2 /Poison MMs lived in 2 distinctly different states 1) Megadebuffer supreme when Noxious Gas was up or 2) Lamest, by far buff/debuff set in game when NG was not up. Unfortunately, the latter state was far more frequently the case. Even when NG was up you had to micromanage that one pet or be susceptible to his whims as to whom he wanted to engage and debuff.
Sure looks like potentially great news for Fire and Ice, with their pbaoe toggles.
I thought I was done with Poison, but depending on what they do with NG, I just may go back.
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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA
If this PBAOE toggle is on par with the existing power you put on your henchmen, then this could be quite powerful indeed. I've always thought my 2 /Poison MMs lived in 2 distinctly different states 1) Megadebuffer supreme when Noxious Gas was up or 2) Lamest, by far buff/debuff set in game when NG was not up. Unfortunately, the latter state was far more frequently the case. Even when NG was up you had to micromanage that one pet or be susceptible to his whims as to whom he wanted to engage and debuff.
Sure looks like potentially great news for Fire and Ice, with their pbaoe toggles. I thought I was done with Poison, but depending on what they do with NG, I just may go back. |
There are apparantly some other buffs to the Poison set. Something about portions of the existing single target powers having half-strength AoEs.
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And the /Poison version of Poison Trap using a Hold instead of a Sleep.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
There are apparantly some other buffs to the Poison set. Something about portions of the existing single target powers having half-strength AoEs.
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Overall very cool. I hope we get /PD, /Traps and /Dark Miasma at some point.
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They did say they intended to proliferate pretty much everything eventually.
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Originally Posted by Saltyhero13
Overall very cool. I hope we get /PD, /Traps and /Dark Miasma at some point.
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Thanks I just caught that at the tail end of this post.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
They did say they intended to proliferate pretty much everything eventually.
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Glad they add some AoE component in Weaken and Envenom, or else it's going to be such a poor-child set in comparison to Radiation and Cold Domination.
They say the set is going to be "similar" to MM's version. Does this mean the debuff values stay the same? If so, the set is still going to be sub-par.
If it's 25% better than MM's version, then yeah, it can be good.
Venomous Gas is what I am looking for.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Unlikely, since the ATs have different modifiers.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
They say the set is going to be "similar" to MM's version. Does this mean the debuff values stay the same?
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Fire/poison troller will be sick I think, and illusion/poison? crazy...
I have no experience with Poison but I think Mind/Poison is going to emerge as a fairly popular combo. From what I can see nothing in Poison causes damage. The new Poison has two AoE holds to help deal with Containment issues. If the cast time of Poison Trap is still 5 seconds, you could sleep the group, run in and place the trap without any interference at all.
Poison also looks to be the only set that will have both AoE -Resistance and -Defense in a power that doesn't also hinder the mobs. The reason this is useful is for maximizing Confusion damage. I believe (but am not 100% sure) enemies have a base 50% chance to hit each other. A few sets do have these capabilities but they come alongside stuff that limits the damage output (e.g. knockdown and slow in Sleet, -Damage in Radiation, etc)
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Trick Arrow has that too; Acid Arrow + Disruption Arrow.
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Poison also looks to be the only set that will have both AoE -Resistance and -Defense in a power that doesn't also hinder the mobs.
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Trick Arrow has that too; Acid Arrow + Disruption Arrow.
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Well, 8ft radius on the -Defense.
I guess we have to wait to see the radius and values of the revised Poison.I do consider /Trick Arrow an excellent secondary for Mind Control in any case.
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Thematic too, good for a "mystic archer" type.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
I do consider /Trick Arrow an excellent secondary for Mind Control in any case.
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Ive only played a couple lvls of poison on a mastermind, so i really dont know the set at all...
But theme reasons...
Its a toss up.. Fire/posion, or earth/poison
I was really thinking about making a fire/rad, But now this poison might over take it. I Only have about 10 slots left to unlock, But i have a couple that im not totally in love with and are real lowbies, so they could get the axe..
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The only drawback to mind/ta is the damage on acid arrow - its annoying because its so minor that its not worth mentioning, but it breaks sleeps/fears. Poison shouldn't even have that minor drawback.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
Well, 8ft radius on the -Defense.
I guess we have to wait to see the radius and values of the revised Poison.I do consider /Trick Arrow an excellent secondary for Mind Control in any case. |
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Huh, my dream of an evil Plant Control/Poison controller will be possible in i21.
Now... if only I could stand to play controllers...
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Huh, my dream of an evil Plant Control/Poison controller will be possible in i21.
Now... if only I could stand to play controllers... |
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Huh, my dream of an evil Plant Control/Poison controller will be possible in i21.
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Oh man Fire/Poison will be all kinds of sick. I'm also debating on making an Elec/Poison because end drained, held and debuffed spawns sounds all kinds of hilarious.
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Yeah, I have always harbored a strong, unnatural love for the Poison set, and yet I loathe the way it interacts with Mastermind pets. Long have I dreamed for it to come to controllers, though I can't explain why.
Fire/Poison, Illusion/Poison, and Earth/Poison ... I choose YOU!
I will prob skip Plant/Poison due to it being "too obvious" but it will certainly be cool to confuse a bunch of dudes and/or knock them down with big slappy vines, followed by puking all over them, then standing on top of them emitting debilitating toxins from your body, all followed up by a FIREBALL!
Well, dang. Plant/Poison ... I choose you TOO!
I'm sure the other combos with Poison will each be interesting in their own way but I don't think I'll consider them.
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I'm also feeling elec/poison. Keep wanting to make an elec/ troller, too. Hopefully they won't nerf the numbers of the revamped noxious gas (venomous gas).
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Originally Posted by Boomie
Oh man Fire/Poison will be all kinds of sick. I'm also debating on making an Elec/Poison because end drained, held and debuffed spawns sounds all kinds of hilarious.
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Plant/poison will be a great thematic combo.
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Yep. Any melee based control set is going to pair rather well with it.
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Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex
So it looks like we have a new PBAoE toggle to pair with Fire, Ice, and Electric Control.
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Confirmed for proliferation in next issue, with changes. Comments from Synapse:
Are you excited? Rerolling any pre-existing characters?