Ok, listen, this is starting to get to a critical mass
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Posted on: 2011-06-29 14:37 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Never done a trial but my SG used to regularly host No Pants TF's that required 'dressing down' and of course the summer months bring swimming parties that require a change of costume etc etc...
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I wear my usual outfit - I don't think anyone dresses up for Trials - or any other content
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I always thought the appropriate dress for itrials was a pair of dungarees, a straw hat and a pitchfork.
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Originally Posted by Flarstux
The most telling question has yet to be asked: do you wear your formal - or casual - costume while engaging in these 'raids'?
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@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
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My usual outfit has a skirt, so that counts |
Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Never done a trial but my SG used to regularly host No Pants TF's that required 'dressing down'
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@Golden Girl
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Tomorrow I've got the whole day off, and no reason to go out, so I can just spend the entire day doing Commando trials if I want. |
Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
Never done a trial but my SG used to regularly host No Pants TF's that required 'dressing down' and of course the summer months bring swimming parties that require a change of costume etc etc...
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I assume people know what that means.
Eco
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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I see what ya did there |
Originally Posted by Dante
I always thought the appropriate dress for itrials was a pair of dungarees, a straw hat and a pitchfork.
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Methinks I need to make an ironic costume if/when I run another trial.
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I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
I see what ya did there
Methinks I need to make an ironic costume if/when I run another trial. |
Eco
MArcs:
The Echo, Arc ID 1688 (5mish, easy, drama)
The Audition, Arc ID 221240 (6 mish, complex mech, comedy)
Storming Citadel, Arc ID 379488 (lowbie, 1mish, 10-min timed)
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
[The Incarnate System is] Jack Emmert all over again, only this time it's not "1 hero = 3 white minions" it's "1 hero = 3 white rocks."
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If more people get on-board, I'm going to organize an event: A night of farming iTrials where everyone in the league must dress the part.
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Originally Posted by MrCaptainMan
I'm on my way to the tailor as I type!
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@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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You know, I realized another bad side effect of me wanting iTrial rewards for costumes/emotes/auras: I'm not the best teammate. I don't know what's going on, and I don't really care. There are enough people on the iTrial to pull the weight and get me 0.02% closer to my goals.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The Trials are all casual friendly - players just need to know what they're doing in them
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Kitty
Actually, it's not the difficulty that makes it non-casual. It's the grind. If you have to commit yourself to grinding, it's NOT casual.
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--NT
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But if people gather around and play cards for 3 or 4 hours its called fun. If they play a sport for 3 hours its called fun. Some people like to play games repeatedly for hours and have been doing it for thousands of years.|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
If more people get on-board, I'm going to organize an event: A night of farming iTrials where everyone in the league must dress the part.
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Alright everyone, lets farm Pinochle!
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
But if people gather around and play cards for 3 or 4 hours its called fun. If they play a sport for 3 hours its called fun. Some people like to play games repeatedly for hours and have been doing it for thousands of years.
Alright everyone, lets farm Pinochle! |
However, to bring that analogy more in-line with what is being said...
People wouldn't necessarily enjoy playing the exact same hand the entire 3 or 4 hours (one person might, hehe).
Of course, no analogy is perfect, but the complaint is not playing CoH for 3 or 4 hours... it is playing one tiny aspect of it repeatedly.
If the people playing CoH would be happier playing a card game without much variance, then they could do that instead of a mmorpg with 7 years of content.
(And this should not read with any negative tone. I went to put a smiley face at the end, but that seemed more fake or whatever... so... ya know... I'm just conversing with ya, nothing else!)
@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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The only problem there is that as I understand it when you lose that game your opponent cuts of your head.
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Originally Posted by StratoNexus
Some people like to play games repeatedly for hours and have been doing it for thousands of years.
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Originally Posted by NuclearToast
You know, I realized another bad side effect of me wanting iTrial rewards for costumes/emotes/auras: I'm not the best teammate. I don't know what's going on, and I don't really care.
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@Golden Girl
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Well, some of them just avoid the head cutting off game and find a different one that involves less decapitation. Although, as i understand it, those eligible to play the decapitation game were forced into a sudden death elimination tournament back in the 80s, so it's probably hard to find many players to comment on that game now.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The only problem there is that as I understand it when you lose that game your opponent cuts of your head.
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Dr. Todt's theme.
i make stuff...
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I hear that in the Neolithic, the penalty for losing a game of Rock, Rock, Rock was quite severe...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The only problem there is that as I understand it when you lose that game your opponent cuts of your head.
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@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
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Did we just get into a discussion about trials needing to be boring in order to limit the number of people who complete them and how quickly...?
(I only half jest. Such discussions are common on 'crafter' boards in MMOs, where its regularly argued that crafting should be a drag or else everyone will do it.)
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I see my post may have been read more cynically than intended. The idea I meant to convey was more along the lines of, "Wouldn't it be amusing to watch a bunch of characters in farmer-like clothing take down the Lambda Sector?" as opposed to, "Let's mock the repetitive design of the Incarnate trials by all dressing up as farmers!!"|
Originally Posted by StratoNexus
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Alright everyone, lets farm Pinochle! |
That being said, in response to your post: Electric_Knight summed it up rather well. To make your analogy work, it would be like repeatedly playing the same hands in a poker game, except only the amount of the bets will vary. Similarly in sports, it would be as if you were playing the same person/team in basketball, and they execute the same plays repeatedly, except whether or not they score on certain plays will vary. Neither scenario is realistic: poker is a game of chance and the cards are randomized after each round, and the opposing basketball team would eventually change up their tactics/plays once they realized that you had them figured out.
In essence, you have inadvertently given us a possible way to make the trials a little less repetitive: randomize their events. Maybe one time we have to defeat Siege first, then Nightstar, then stop the prisoner escape, then the second time the prisoners are escaping first. Maybe those Acid and Pacification Grenades don't always spawn in the same places on the map. Maybe all of the third reactor's temp powers are in one bunker, but it is randomized for every attempt. Honestly, I am just brainstorming here, but that seems like a legitimate way to make the Trials a little more spontaneous without offering too much new stuff to test (since the events of each trial would be the same, it would just be mixed up a little bit).
Standard Code Rant obviously applies.
@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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I do not think comparing running 3 BAFs in a row is like playing the exact same hand, its more like playing the exact same game, but shuffling the deck (assuming people actually come and go, if you do it with the exact same teams, then maybe, but outside of Master Lambda/Keyes runs, I rarely see that).|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
However, to bring that analogy more in-line with what is being said...
People wouldn't necessarily enjoy playing the exact same hand the entire 3 or 4 hours (one person might, hehe). Of course, no analogy is perfect, but the complaint is not playing CoH for 3 or 4 hours... it is playing one tiny aspect of it repeatedly. If the people playing CoH would be happier playing a card game without much variance, then they could do that instead of a mmorpg with 7 years of content. |
Of course, most leagues I see anymore rotate, doing BAF then Lam (and hopefully one day Keyes gets put in more often, it does seem to finally be trickling in more and more).
If you are not the type to enjoy that, don't do it. I don't. I run five or six trials a week (although oftentimes two or three of those are on the same day(s)). I play Yahtzee, Chess, and Connect Four that much, they are much less dynamic than even BAF.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
Bah. You're lost in the analogy swamp. Don't try to find the perfect analogy. You will never agree on the perfect analogy anyway. Try instead to see the meaning and the emotional message of the analogy.
If one person thinks that farming BAF for three-four hours is analogous to playing poker with the buddies at night, it says that he doesn't see a problem with the grind. It's fun being with his buddies, drinking whisky, chatting, smoking, throwing bills and chips in the pot and from time to time throw the cards down. There may even be skill involved, if the whisky didn't kill it. He doesn't see that much difference there. It's a fun night, as simple as that.
If another person wants to modify the analogy and says that trials are like playing poker, but instead of shuffling the deck bringing out a new deck and play with that unshuffled for each game, it is pretty clear that he does not like farming because of its predictability and repetitiveness. For him, it's not a fun night. It's a chore.
When you understand the emotional message of the analogy, you understand how he feels about it. And you will NOT change how he feels by modifying the analogy. At best, you can show how YOU feel about it. At worst, you completely miss his message.
Still @Shadow Kitty
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Kitty
Bah. You're lost in the analogy swamp.
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@Golden Girl
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No, it's right next to Sarcasm Forest beyond the Quote Pyramid.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Is that part of First Ward?
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Still @Shadow Kitty
"I became Archvillain before Statesman nerfed himself!"
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If we're playing for money and its the winning hand, sure.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
However, to bring that analogy more in-line with what is being said...
People wouldn't necessarily enjoy playing the exact same hand the entire 3 or 4 hours |
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Originally Posted by Shadow_Kitty
Bah. You're lost in the analogy swamp. Don't try to find the perfect analogy. You will never agree on the perfect analogy anyway. Try instead to see the meaning and the emotional message of the analogy.
If one person thinks that farming BAF for three-four hours is analogous to playing poker with the buddies at night, it says that he doesn't see a problem with the grind. It's fun being with his buddies, drinking whisky, chatting, smoking, throwing bills and chips in the pot and from time to time throw the cards down. There may even be skill involved, if the whisky didn't kill it. He doesn't see that much difference there. It's a fun night, as simple as that. If another person wants to modify the analogy and says that trials are like playing poker, but instead of shuffling the deck bringing out a new deck and play with that unshuffled for each game, it is pretty clear that he does not like farming because of its predictability and repetitiveness. For him, it's not a fun night. It's a chore. When you understand the emotional message of the analogy, you understand how he feels about it. And you will NOT change how he feels by modifying the analogy. At best, you can show how YOU feel about it. At worst, you completely miss his message. |
Completely agreed and well said.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
If we're playing for
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:P
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
*sigh* All I wanted was to watch Marauder get clobbered by a bunch of characters dressed like farmers...
Shadow_Kitty is right. It is like trying to present an argument in a court room without an impartial judge and/or jury to say who is correct.
...And yes, I did just attempt to reiterate a point about analogies with an analogy.
@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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Form a trial in RWZ, and then before you enter demand that everyone make a farmer costume |
Originally Posted by Winterminal
*sigh* All I wanted was to watch Marauder get clobbered by a bunch of characters dressed like farmers...
Shadow_Kitty is right. It is like trying to present an argument in a court room without an impartial judge and/or jury to say who is correct. ...And yes, I did just attempt to reiterate a point about analogies with an analogy. |
There's a tailor right there so should be no problem
"Men strunt �r strunt och snus �r snus
om ock i gyllne dosor.
Och rosor i ett sprucket krus
�r st�ndigt alltid rosor."
If you are referring to the rest of the t3 and t4 abilties, then your mention of incarnate level shifts was superfluous.