Posi post on COH Freedom

Fixed

I can agree with that fix.

It's even better when you read his forum signature. I wish I had the power of self-delusion at that strength.

Interested.

No! We want them to like us and give pvp love... lol

lol...I would actually visit the fan art page for that.

Some have called you on your figures, but, regardless - it still represents paying players who deserved to be treated with respect. The devs tried to come up with a significantly different pvp experience with the hopes of drawing in new players while blatantly ignoring the existing pvpers.

I say that's exactly what the original quote said *shouldn't* happen; this thread is bang-on topic.

I'd also say that was Paragon's SOE moment for PvPers. How long will it take for Paragon to admit they shouldn't have allowed this?

This is the one comment I have seen in one form or another over and over and over that absolutely baffles me and makes me laugh...

PVP is PVP's reward...

If I wanted to play against nothing but NPC's I would stick to playing Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts/or whatever whack a$$ console game you prefer, hell go play Dragon Age or Marvel Ultimate Alliance or something...

Kicking someone in the face and knowing they are sitting at home behind a PC crying there hearts out or lusting for the fight is the only incentive I ever needed...

Nubtears taste like Tigers Blood baby....and its all WINNING...

Its so true, PvP is its own reward. I don't need something shiney dangled...although the forum titles were a nice touch. To this day I have the fondest memories of test pvp and being on vent with all of my friends and bickering in arena chat. I haven't been able to replicate it in any other pvp game I have played. It was one thing when the community was just ignored and we were left to our own devices.
It was quite another when they ripped up our sandlot and left this current steaming pile of crap post I13. Posi's post is just one big contradiction and another slap in the face to any pvp vet who still subs.

This is true and I see your point. I suppose my frustration is shared with others with the lack of dev attention to PvP. They used to semi-regularly update minor things here and there to balance powersets and fix bugs for pvp gameplay. They do not do that much anymore. But this is old news and you're right I need to quit whining

So if this is the case in your case, I have one question: Why are you even posting on the PvP boards?

thats not really what we're asking for. we(i'm go super general here and speak for the entier community) don't want rewards just for the sake of having rewards. pvp should be entirely self sustaining in that, It'd be really nice to not have to pariticpate in the pve grind on a pvp toon. I can't stand playing my psi blaster in pve but i kinda have to if i want any incarnate stuff. if they added some exclusive stuff that was better (pvp ios 2.0 since they already screwed that pouch) that would give pvers incentive wouldn't be a bad thing either.

having pvp give it's own rewards isn't why you should pvp but it enhances your experience. you add that in with the other stuff that the pvpers have been asking for like doing the mechanical overhaul that the game needs and putting in something other than deathmatch style pvp and this game would be the be all end all for pvp.

And thats whats gonna happen in any game. pve or pvp. i've had multiple teams in pve were there were people who were biggers ******** than pvpers. every group has its bad apple.

this game is blessed with a fantastic ignore option. **** is so cash. hell I don't even go into rv with BC chat on anymore. unless of course i'm looking for something to lol at in which case...

because all input is important?
if i13 only taught us one thing, it was that listening to a select few is and shutting out any feedback is a really really really bad idea.

Hardly

The "select few" that you're talking about would be the active PvP community. The vast majority would be the playerbase that whined for changes so that they would, in fact, finally give PvP a shot.

i13 changes were on account of the vast majority, not the select few.

@Vince

that fact that they wanted changes was on a vast majority, the specific changes that we got were not on vast majority.

pvpers wanted changes, then the devs didn't listen to their feedback about those changes.

besides, the point of the post was that having selective reading when you're asking for feedback is stupid.

I thought I13 was the result of Castle continuously getting rolled on his dominator?

You're blaming everyone BUT the pvp community for the implementation of i13?

That's just dumb. How long have you been playing this game? Were you around when i13 was in test? Do you remember the countless PvPers AND PvErs who voiced that they were both NOT in favor of these changes?

Seriously what you posted makes you come across as a newb. Blaming some "Vast Majority" when it WAS a "select few"; The Developers.

And Babs got rolled on everything he brought... repeatedly.

Shut down, turned off, killed and clowned.

It was very lol @ devs... there was alot of smack talk involved.. which lead to...

"THIS is why we are making changes to pvp"

Much profanity ensued. That's NOT how you make friends.

You can't tell me they didn't take it personally.

I learned a-lot that day.

Thanks Ed.

Haha. The devs clearly needed to realise that the guys who design the cars are rarely the best drivers.

Fight-clubbers, PvErs and badge-hunters alike spent years complaining about the current PvP system while PvPers were actively running a ladder on test and asking about balance changes that had absolutely nothing to do with the changes that i13 brought.

Yes, I was on test when i13 was present. The amount of "PvErs" that you claim were on test asking for these changes to not go live are not as large as you think. That said, people voicing their opinions at that time does not outweigh the number of individuals claiming that unsuppressed movement was a huge problem for years.

Years > i13 testing period.

Don't come out of your face with me. The Devs may have implimented the changes, but I'm not so blind that I'm going to ignore the hours of back and forth with fight-clubbers and PvErs alike that helped Castle push those changes through the pipeline.

@Vince

You are missing his point - the vast majority are the pvers who all complained - "my melee toon is useless they just run away" "I almost get a kill and an emp heals them" "Phase and Hiber is unfair" ...and on and on.

Castle justified i13 as the vast majority wanting these changes when the active pvpers were totally against it. He posted once "for every one of you saying you don't want it I have 100 emails saying they do." Proof of that was the anti gank code they tried to impliment in pvp, which was the biggest complaint of pvers "I walk into rv and 10 heroes/villians jump me."

Nevermind teaming fixed that. Persoanlly I wish they guy who wrote the "this is a pvp zone you can be attacked at any time" msg was in charge of pvp.

The devs are not the few. They did not just dream up these changes. They capitulated to the vast majority who complained about pvp. The vast majority told them why they didn't like pvp so they changed it, and they still didn't show up and lost the pvpers they did have.

p.s. Vindizzle was in Velocity one of the best pvp sgs in the game and probably around for most pvp changes before and after i12.

A lesson in what not to do. I'd put it up there with "I'll adjust it a little in the way I think it should go because I have no idea where it will be" and other great Castleisms.