3 whole pages of WAAAAAAAH! Gotta love the internet.
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So we are trusting the word of a developer now? A developer known for being less than forward in the past? He (Castle) says some invisible community in the hundreds e-mails him supporting his changes? I didn't buy that then and I don't buy that now. |
Originally Posted by fur_nes
You are missing his point - the vast majority are the pvers who all complained - "my melee toon is useless they just run away" "I almost get a kill and an emp heals them" "Phase and Hiber is unfair" ...and on and on.
Castle justified i13 as the vast majority wanting these changes when the active pvpers were totally against it. He posted once "for every one of you saying you don't want it I have 100 emails saying they do." Proof of that was the anti gank code they tried to impliment in pvp, which was the biggest complaint of pvers "I walk into rv and 10 heroes/villians jump me." |
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Nevermind teaming fixed that. Persoanlly I wish they guy who wrote the "this is a pvp zone you can be attacked at any time" msg was in charge of pvp. The devs are not the few. They did not just dream up these changes. They capitulated to the vast majority who complained about pvp. The vast majority told them why they didn't like pvp so they changed it, and they still didn't show up and lost the pvpers they did have. |
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| p.s. Vindizzle was in Velocity one of the best pvp sgs in the game and probably around for most pvp changes before and after i12. |
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I assume you're a PvE'r, thing is you PvE'rs cry over every little thing oh wahh I don't want any f2p players on my server because im an elitist give me 500 free transfers to vip servers nao, ohhh wahhh this little pixel on this irrelevant power isn't working as combat attributes told me it would, PLZ FIX IT NAO! its all ten times worse then the PvPing community, we have one thing to constantly complain to the devs about and thats not even an i13 rollback or something as drastic because realistically its never going to happen. Truth is majority of us want the devs to come out and admit they WERE WRONG, and just hope that progress would hopefully pick up from there.|
Originally Posted by OmniSurge
3 whole pages of WAAAAAAAH! Gotta love the internet.
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lolwhoamikidding
@Psycho Jas
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Ignorance doesn't beat ignorance. Don't insult other folks just 'cause they insulted you. Makes your cause look bad.|
Originally Posted by SoulTouch
I assume you're a PvE'r, thing is you PvE'rs cry over every little thing oh wahh I don't want any f2p players on my server because im an elitist give me 500 free transfers to vip servers nao, ohhh wahhh this little pixel on this irrelevant power isn't working as combat attributes told me it would, PLZ FIX IT NAO! its all ten times worse then the PvPing community, we have one thing to constantly complain to the devs about and thats not even an i13 rollback or something as drastic because realistically its never going to happen. Truth is majority of us want the devs to come out and admit they WERE WRONG, and just hope that progress would hopefully pick up from there.
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Also, not all PvErs are like that. Don't make gross generalizations. I PvE, but I also agree I13 broke PvP and that it's still a part of this game and should get treatment.
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Originally Posted by OmniSurge
3 whole pages of WAAAAAAAH! Gotta love the internet.
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u mad
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Originally Posted by SoulTouch
I assume you're a PvE'r, thing is you PvE'rs cry over every little thing oh wahh I don't want any f2p players on my server because im an elitist give me 500 free transfers to vip servers nao, ohhh wahhh this little pixel on this irrelevant power isn't working as combat attributes told me it would, PLZ FIX IT NAO! its all ten times worse then the PvPing community, we have one thing to constantly complain to the devs about and thats not even an i13 rollback or something as drastic because realistically its never going to happen. Truth is majority of us want the devs to come out and admit they WERE WRONG, and just hope that progress would hopefully pick up from there.
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The vast majority of players that spent years complaining about unsuppressed travel gave Castle the justification to say that the aforementioned mechanic was not working as intended. |
Originally Posted by Tokyo
This "vast Majority" you and vindizzle keep bringing up may have wanted change as many of us did, however the vast majority did not agree with the i13 changes and that is my overarching argument. Blaming the "Vast Majority" For i13 is ridiculous, especially when that "Vast Majority" has absolutely no access to the source code.
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If X leads to Y, then Z is a logical conclusion. And yet here you are getting overly defensive about it.
The playerbase plays just as much a part in administering changes to the game as the developers, positively or negatively.
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Padding your post count? Attaboy.
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Originally Posted by OmniSurge
3 whole pages of WAAAAAAAH! Gotta love the internet.
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Z is only a logical conclusion if X and Y are both truths. I can draw out a truth table using your set: X,Y,Z if you like but I believe we can both agree that true conclusions should be drawn from true premises by acceptable rules of reasoning. |
Originally Posted by vindizzLe
The vast majority of players that spent years complaining about unsuppressed travel gave Castle the justification to say that the aforementioned mechanic was not working as intended.
If X leads to Y, then Z is a logical conclusion. And yet here you are getting overly defensive about it. The playerbase plays just as much a part in administering changes to the game as the developers, positively or negatively. |
Considering PvP had been ported from PvE without its own rule-set it's safe to conclude that Travel WAS working as intended as they had absolutely no intention of creating an entirely new rule-set for PvP prior to i13. Castle was and still is wrong. Meaning his reasoning was FALSE.
Now, lets assign Y = "Castle's Justification": (Y(Castle's Justification))=False
Your preposition: X ∪ Y = Z (assuming X and Y are both truths)
If and X= True Y=False Z=Truth
You see where I'm going with this?
Conjunction junction What's your Disjunction?! logic is FUN! d;D
I had to post in this thread. First off, I love everything this thread dredges up. I think everything about this game is fantastic however I am seriously shocked the devs still have not addressed its players on the progress since i13. Shame on you. Secondly, why is it every 'ibreakpve' fanboi has to post why they believe pvp is not an investment in these threads? I think pve gets plenty of investment so please if you have nothing to add, gtfo
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CareBears asked for it when they decided to post enraging propaganda in the pvp threads...imho
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Originally Posted by Xzero45
Probably doesn't help cases when I see a lot of PvPers going out of their way to instigate conflict, push buttons, harass, and call other folks that don't PvP "carebears" in threads talking about how the devs don't like PvP. All that aside, I agree, PvP is a part of this game and as such deserves at least some attention.
And wait, how did people get banned for mentioning doughnuts in Castle threads? |
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Wrong. Do you even bother to read anything? Or do you just hasten to throw together the biggest string of psuedo-intellectual garbage in order to make yourself sound informed and relevant?|
Originally Posted by Tokyo
Z is only a logical conclusion if X and Y are both truths.
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For the sake of the discussion:
X = A vast majority of players offering complaints about the (at that time) current PvP system.
A "complaint" can also be likened to an "opinion", which is certainly not a universal truth. Your argument has already been invalidated, while my example still stands.
I'm still right.
JUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIlOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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It's funny how people default to name calling when they lose an argument, ain't it?|
Originally Posted by vindizzLe
Wrong. Do you even bother to read anything? Or do you just hasten to throw together the biggest string of psuedo-intellectual garbage in order to make yourself sound informed and relevant?
For the sake of the discussion: X = A vast majority of players offering complaints about the (at that time) current PvP system. A "complaint" can also be likened to an "opinion", which is certainly not a universal truth. Your argument has already been invalidated, while my example still stands. I'm still right. |
Besides "psuedo-intellectualism?" Really? it's basic math brah, just thought it would be easier to understand with some maths...besides there's no such thing as universal truths.
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
It's funny how people default to name calling when they lose an argument, ain't it?
Besides "psuedo-intellectualism?" Really? it's basic math brah, just thought it would be easier to understand with some maths...besides there's no such thing as universal truths. |
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Are you absolutely sure of that?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brute_fact
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Originally Posted by Tokyo
...besides there's no such thing as universal truths.
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There needs to be a book with great dev quotes/actions, 'cause I don't remember any of these but I find them hilarious.