Time Manipulation
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Posted on: 2011-06-21 16:25 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
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Yeah guessing is kinda pointless, but its kinda what happens here.|
Originally Posted by DoctorWhat
All we know so far is it's a set. We don't know any details than that.
Until the devs see fit to bless us with that info guessing is mostly pointless. Once they announce what the has in it and what exactly it does, it's fair game. |
Also if the community let Devs know what we expect of a modern, well deseign powerset early on in its (public) development cycle increases the chances of getting a powerset most people cna be happy with.
Look at Demon Summoning and Electric Control, not a single "duff" power among them that would instantly have people saying "skip this" when people ask for advice.
Look at Gravity and Dark, and the majority of people will say outside of concept or pre-planned teaming, theres a skippable power highlighted by its functionality, and its limited use.
The Devs can and will chance something at this stage, I have it on good authority that in early closed beta of GR, Conductive Aura was Confusing Aura, and was entirely more awesome than it is on live, too awesome, it overperformed and was changed drastically.
Sure, those of us not lucky enough to be in CB can't know what they have planned, but we can still aim to let them know our expectations, so they can better dash them against the jagged cliffs later... :P
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Originally Posted by VoodooGirl
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After July 1st, you'll get the points at the beginning of your billing cycle each month, until the Freedom/Issue 21 goes live, whether you have to pay or not. If you pay for multiple months during that period, I'm not sure if they get divvied up on a monthly basis, or applied all at once. After Freedom goes live, if you pay multiple months at a time, you get all the points for time paid in one lump sum up front.|
Originally Posted by JayLeonHart_EU
So someone who pays every 6 months and is only due to pay again in, oh, September (say, me) wouldn't get any points until then? Would I at least get 3 months worth (July, August & September) ? Would I get my points every 6 months, or every month?
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Either way, you'll get the same number of points everyone else does: 400/month, no matter how you pay.
@Roderick
This just screams Dark Miasma to me. Oh well, my hopes for Time Control can go and hang out with Dark Control and Dark Assault in the "unlikely to ever happen" room.
I hope they take the following from Radiation (my favourite controller secondary)
PBAOE heal - doesn't need to be great - just a nice top up
PBAOE buff - come on - accelerate metabolism needs to have some competiton
Enemy -regen , debuff (rusting on robots- ageing on organics)
Then do something totally different in place of REZ , AoE holds
And it needs a unique costume part in the form of a sonic screwdriver - I'm just saying ......
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Originally Posted by Omega
And it needs a unique costume part in the form of a sonic screwdriver - I'm just saying ......
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(Which is cool.)
It should come with a free fez. Fezzes are cool too.
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Dark Miasma is Dark Control. Seriously.|
Originally Posted by Snowzone
This just screams Dark Miasma to me. Oh well, my hopes for Time Control can go and hang out with Dark Control and Dark Assault in the "unlikely to ever happen" room.
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Though now I'm suddenly worried this will go down like Trick Arrow and they'll forget Slow counts as a mez, thereby making the set better for Controllers...
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Dark Miasma is control that Controllers don't get. It can't be a primary because of the debuffs and heal, it can't be a secondary because of Dark Servant. If Dark Control is made there probably won't be a Dark secondary to go along with it. The whole point is Containment, Domination, control and support, and control and assault.
On the subject of Time Manipulation, I think it's unlikely to have a pet simply because it's going to Controllers. It could end up being very broken if it uses Doppelganger tech to create a weaker version of you. If this has level shifts then imagine a Fire/Time controller with a level shifted Time doppelganger thing that summons another three Fire Imps. Illusion/Time with two sets of Phantom Army, Spectral Terror and Phantasm. Plant/Time with even more Carrion Creepers. That's just from the Controller side. Think of Masterminds with Thugs/Time.
If it does get doppelganger tech then Defenders will be left in the dust among the even more powerful Controllers, Corruptors and Masterminds. If it does get such a pet then it should be a Control set.
Time Bubble-AOE shield of some type?
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+END or +REC is actually something I hope the set doesn't get. Speed up time to increase recovery? Shouldn't that be an exhausting thing to do? And I say this as someone who wants this set. |
Originally Posted by Omega
I hope they take the following from Radiation (my favourite controller secondary)
PBAOE heal - doesn't need to be great - just a nice top up PBAOE buff - come on - accelerate metabolism needs to have some competiton Enemy -regen , debuff (rusting on robots- ageing on organics) Then do something totally different in place of REZ , AoE holds And it needs a unique costume part in the form of a sonic screwdriver - I'm just saying ...... |
PBAOE Heal, agreed.
PBAOE buff...I'm thinkign something along the lines of Force Field's Dispersion Bubble (possibly with 5ft less radius) or the stealth powers of Cold Dom, Dark Miasma, or Storm. The set should have +Defense as part of it, and it should be something that works for the user.
+Defense is just one of the few ways to actually make one feel like one is dodging things that are being effected by temporal manipulation.
In fact, I hope it gives better than Cold Dom, Dark Miasma, and Storm stealth shield defense, but only gives positional defense.
An enemy -Regen, -Resist, -END, -RCH all in one power and make it a toggle that only effects one target.
I want pure awesomeness out of this set! I want to look at the powers and say to myself, "I HAVE TO TAKE THEM ALL!"
If they need a rez power, my suggestion is a PBAOE self rez. Team wipe? Everyone rezzed on the spot!
Sure, you won't be able to rez unless you die too, but if you're still alive, they can use an awaken.
Clickie Slow/-Rch power, possibly Target AOE.
And if they do the stealth route (which can make sense for a Time Manipulator) with a power as I mentioned above, I think it's time they made those stealth's stack with Stealth from the concealment pool.
So many times I've wanted to grab Phase Shift from the Power Pools, but couldn't bring myself to do it, sense Id have a Stealth power I wouldn't use, sense the one in the primary is so much better (mostly with Dark Miasma which just feels right for a ghosty hero type).
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Maybe a Recharge Fulcrum shift? Steal a minute from each of your enemies, so to speak. More enemies, more +recharge you can steal.
Maybe the Doppleganger stuff is simply a +def effect where there's multiple false copies of you that wink out if attacked. Like a displacer beast!
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Originally Posted by Snowzone
It should come with a free fez. Fezzes are cool too.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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That is a pretty sweet idea. -Rchrg on the enemies and +recharge on you/your team.
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Originally Posted by MaHaBone23
Maybe a Recharge Fulcrum shift? Steal a minute from each of your enemies, so to speak. More enemies, more +recharge you can steal.
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I've seen this from a couple of different people, but it's such a good idea that I'm going to be disappointed if it doesn't happen.
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Originally Posted by MaHaBone23
Maybe a Recharge Fulcrum shift? Steal a minute from each of your enemies, so to speak. More enemies, more +recharge you can steal.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
I've seen this from a couple of different people, but it's such a good idea that I'm going to be disappointed if it doesn't happen.
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So good in fact that it's what Siphon Speed already does.
Although this would be more drastic and AoE.
So from the sounds of it - This set should be very interesting and will not have skippable powers.
Of the three I heard mentioned (Time Crawl , Temporal Selection , Chrono Shift) the last two sound like your "shields" , and Crawl sounds like a child from Infrigidate-Twilight Grab (without heal). I'm looking forward to hearing more about this!
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Originally Posted by Wavicle
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Don't forget what else was mentioned. Time Crawl and Temporal Selection stack with the other powers to power them up. If you Chrono Shift someone with one of those on them, it will have a stronger effect than if you did it to something without it.
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Originally Posted by War-Nugget
So from the sounds of it - This set should be very interesting and will not have skippable powers.
Of the three I heard mentioned (Time Crawl , Temporal Selection , Chrono Shift) the last two sound like your "shields" , and Crawl sounds like a child from Infrigidate-Twilight Grab (without heal). I'm looking forward to hearing more about this! |
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Based on the description of the new two hander set, I almost wonder if what Time Manipulation doesn't also affect is animation speed (as opposed to Recharge). Now that would be a total game changer.
I doubt it would affect animation speed. That would be way too nice
@War-Nugget
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Originally Posted by Wavicle
CoH players are stupid and incompetent compared to WoW players.
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I gotta say this, I'm pretty jazzed about a new-and-cool secondary for MM's -- and other classes I don't play But we MM's get a new set w007!
Someone had to have said this, but we can finally say we can control "Ti-mu and space-o!"
Just gotta roll up *another* MM, like I needed more or something
Which apparently I did because thats exactly what I am going to do...
... or already did in the future
... but if I already did I wouldn't do it again because I've already done it...
... meaning that if I wouldn't do it again then I wouldn't have one already so I'd have to make one...
... but if I already did ...
*asplode*
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Good point... perhaps time/space will have some confuse powers.
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Originally Posted by Lewisite
I gotta say this, I'm pretty jazzed about a new-and-cool secondary for MM's -- and other classes I don't play
But we MM's get a new set w007! Someone had to have said this, but we can finally say we can control "Ti-mu and space-o!" Just gotta roll up *another* MM, like I needed more or something Which apparently I did because thats exactly what I am going to do... ... or already did in the future ... but if I already did I wouldn't do it again because I've already done it... ... meaning that if I wouldn't do it again then I wouldn't have one already so I'd have to make one... ... but if I already did ... *asplode* |
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It's obvious how the time manipulation set will work.
Debuff somebody and all their recharge timers get reset to anywhere from 2x to 10x duration. Plus their movement powers are reduced by an equivalent amount.
Buff somebody and their recharge timers are reduced anywhere from one half to one tenth. They don't get a movement boost though because too many people would rant about it.
So to restate.
Debuff=Rikti Invasion+KOA caltrops.
Buff=Game becomes FPS with infinite ammo.
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I admit that this is exciting. My Gravity/Kin can finally be what I always wanted him to be.
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Maybe you can bore your enemies with long winded stories to make time seem to slow down.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
You shoot time at people. With your eyes.
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Perhaps it is the ability to adjust villains watches at a distance so that they are late for villainous activities.
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I know! What we need is a new AT that uses dominator secondary sets as a primary and blaster secondary sets as a secondary. That way developing those sets has more impact. Brilliant! Brilliant! We can call them Blastinators!
I actually think an AT like that would be really neat if it took on the "Paladin" or "Ranger" battle-caster role most games have. There are a few overlapping powers between sets to be handled, and those few powers could be replaced with mid-grade armors. It would also finally give the devs incentive to come out with weapon-based assault and manipulation sets.
Then to really set them apart, make the APPs mostly ally buffs gathered from Pain, Empathy, Force Field, etc. No AT currently gets ally buffs in its APPs except in a very few cases.