Any news from the Ustream chat yet?
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Posted on: 2011-06-21 13:57 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
Multiple new power sets.
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I sure hope so....I made a plant/storm because I was bored waiting for new (even proliferated power sets would be good) power sets!
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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator
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Originally Posted by SpaceNut
Don't we call those Shivans? ;-)
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We shall have to see how this all works out.
But I really am curious about the purported "other powerset" besides Time Manipulation coming out in i21.
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Depending on your veteran status you may still have access to these ATs if you become a Premium player.
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Originally Posted by Slazenger
I think a big point for me was that If I go F2P I wouldn't be able to use my Veats,Eats,MM's or Trollers unless I purchase them again, sucks a bit as MM's was the reason I brought CoV.
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Another new powerset would make me happy (I just don't get as much mileage from support ATs), but I'm not going to get my hopes up until I see something in writing.
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What I don't understand is that with everything else sticking around if you've previously purchased it (slots, booster pack items, etc.) why would Controller and MM access vanish if I previously put down money on the CoH or CoV box(es)? That seems strangely inconsistent.
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Originally Posted by Beastyle
Depending on your veteran status you may still have access to these ATs if you become a Premium player.
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We used to get costumes for free, but now they charge almost a monthly fee for one set. What are your opinions on that?
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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
The moment they do start charging VIP users for powersets (yes I know Going Rogue was required for Dual Pistols etc. but that was a full on boxed expansion, not some ingame cash store) is probably the time I will beg my leave of the game.
Simply because that is very definitely something we got free before hand. I honestly don't mind fluff items like costumes or temp powers but actual powersets is kind of where I draw the line. |
I hope there is a complementary set to go with Time Manipulation.
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Originally Posted by IanTheM1
What I don't understand is that with everything else sticking around if you've previously purchased it (slots, booster pack items, etc.) why would Controller and MM access vanish if I previously put down money on the CoH or CoV box(es)? That seems strangely inconsistent.
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Also, the argument about "putting money down" for a box doesn't really hold any weight. The box was bought under the assumption that access to it's features were dependent on paying a sub fee. Today, without paying the sub fee, you get none of those features. In the future, you will get most of them.
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My opinion is that that is an exaggeration.
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
We used to get costumes for free, but now they charge almost a monthly fee for one set. What are your opinions on that?
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VIPs get 400 points a month to spend in the store. F2P and Premium players can purchase points to buy things in the store. WIPs will get powersets for free. F2P and Premium players must purchase them.
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Originally Posted by Dr_MechanoEU
The moment they do start charging VIP users for powersets (yes I know Going Rogue was required for Dual Pistols etc. but that was a full on boxed expansion, not some ingame cash store) is probably the time I will beg my leave of the game.
Simply because that is very definitely something we got free before hand. I honestly don't mind fluff items like costumes or temp powers but actual powersets is kind of where I draw the line. |
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Originally Posted by Sermon
Incentive, probably.
Also, the argument about "putting money down" for a box doesn't really hold any weight. The box was bought under the assumption that access to it's features were dependent on paying a sub fee. Today, without paying the sub fee, you get none of those features. In the future, you will get most of them. |
And that very same argument can be applied to booster packs...so basically I'm forced to repeat myself: Why the inconsistency?
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From this post http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...postcount=2204 regarding today's uStream highlights:
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Originally Posted by Elianta
Ustream highlights from June 22nd! These are notes I took while watching the Ustream!
 More content per issue in the last year than any other year so far. More stuff in i21 than was in i18 Redone atlas park and mercy island. Buildings are distinct according to Beastyle, and Atlas park in particular is apparently very pretty. Mercy has optimization pass but not the same level of awesomeness done to it yet Villians won't spawn in fort darwin anymore. Much more impressive starting area in city is cited, apparently has a 'mind-blowing' vista. New story: retake fort darwin from longbow Beastyle: We are leaving the snakes alone Coming storm starts with i21 There will be a lot more reasons to make more alts VIP server is -optional- 20% of content not free to play is going to be compelling enough to keep you subscribed. New powersets! LOTS OF POWERSETS:O (one might rhyme with orange?) Next Ustream Black pebble wants a water gun. If you have an alt on the VIP server and stop subscribing, you can use a server transfer token to move it to a server so you can continue playing premium A LOT more content in game, but if what you want is more costume pieces or more powers only, you will be able to get those with free points. Entire feature to come about Paragon rewards program. When you drop from VIP to Premium, you get everything locked. When you relog in, you will get at least TWO tokens to unlock character slots to use for premium access, PLUS any you already have that aren't the twelve you get standard for subscribing(Vet reward and bought slots will be open) No store info today - 400 points will be able to buy stuff. You'll be able to buy things and not feel gipped.To get everything immediately you could spend monies.(Zwil) Incarnate is VIP ONLY, even if you own GR. There are a LOT of things shiny-wise they can't talk about Why is freedom good for VIP players?: 'literal Metric butt-ton of content', most of it for no more cost to VIP players. Lots of new players - Hopefully exposed to GOOD shinyness of CoH community. Yes there will be new advertising. Tomorrow will have Positron and War Witch on the Ustream. Clockwork Oh-1 is scared of war witch canadian hockey anger issues. |
Edit: And sounds like that overall revamp of legacy content to bring it in line with GR that some of us have been encouraging is happening.
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On the other hand, we seem to get them more often than we did before and they generally come with emotes and powers so I'm mostly ok with that. And heck we still even manage to get the occasional free costume piece so whee?
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
We used to get costumes for free, but now they charge almost a monthly fee for one set. What are your opinions on that?
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But not all Premium players will have purchased the box. There are downgrades to Premium (no longer paying subscription) and upgrades to Premium (purchased something with Paragon Points). The incentive Sermon mentioned was probably along the lines of "an incentive to get you to either subscribe or purchase the powersets with Paragon Points". |
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
What I don't understand is that with everything else sticking around if you've previously purchased it (slots, booster pack items, etc.) why would Controller and MM access vanish if I previously put down money on the CoH or CoV box(es)? That seems strangely inconsistent.
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Since Beastyle and others have mentioned that it may depend on your Veteran Status as to whether you have unlocked access to those already, I feel safe in assuming that I already have (two days sub time missed since launch due to purchase being flagged as possible fraud due to billing server being on a foreign IP address).
I'd suspect the Veteran Reward status to be somewhere between 18 to 36 months in order for those to be unlocked, but that's pure supposition on my part. And we won't know for certain until they tell us explicitly. This is probably still under discussion for the exact time amount needed.
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If you bought a booster pack in the past, you'll still have access to its contents as a Premium subscriber.|
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Incentive...what?
And that very same argument can be applied to booster packs...so basically I'm forced to repeat myself: Why the inconsistency? |
If you bought the boxed set (which clearly requires a monthly fee to play) you can play MMs and EATs all you want. If you stop playing (under the current model) you can play ZERO ATs at all. None.
Under the new system, if you decide to stop paying your monthly fee you can still play most ATs and, depending on how long you've been playing, perhaps ALL of your ATs using Paragon Rewards. For free.
So the only inconsistency I see is that, under the new system, you get a lot for $Zero per month whereas under the current system $Zero per month lets you access only fond memories of playing your characters.
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When I said incentive, i meant incentive to pay for VIP. |
Originally Posted by IanTheM1
Incentive...what?
And that very same argument can be applied to booster packs...so basically I'm forced to repeat myself: Why the inconsistency? |
Perhaps because the purchase of booster packs and items from booster packs will still exist in some fashion once Freedom drops. The purchase of a "box" or a base game will no longer exist. Therefore, the features of the base game are being redrawn with Controllers and Masterminds unlockable to create incentive to partake in the VIP system or the piecemeal premium system.
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As in one themed for Time Manipulation? Not that we've heard about, but there are at least two new player costume sets coming in Issue 21: IDF and Defense.|
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
I hope there is a complementary set to go with Time Manipulation.
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Edit: Upon further reflection, I realized you were talking about a POWER set. I was confused because your previous post was talking about how we never get free costume sets anymore, but we totally are.
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The answer should be yes (soup and salad and bread too). We should get some stuff unlocked automatically just for being subscribed, but there should also be stuff even subscribers need to use points on, and there should even be some stuff that will likely encourage subscribers to pay a bit more than just their subscription.
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Originally Posted by Sermon
The problem is that we will get 400 pps free per month. So, potentially, they could view new powersets as *free* for VIPs but deliver them through the store and expect that we might use our stipend for them.
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ok, is this where we go into the animated tails and new costume slot for tails to open them with more costume options and two flavors of incarnate armors or is this just being snarky?
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Originally Posted by That_Ninja
We used to get costumes for free, but now they charge almost a monthly fee for one set. What are your opinions on that?
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The other power set hinted at by the devs today is almost certainly 2-handed weapons:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=3702213
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That new Joystiq article most certainly confirmed 2 handed weapons but it won't be available with I21 launch. Although Katana is already a 2 handed weapon so I'm not sure what this is all about. The mention of it doesn't really sound like a new powerset but a new mechanic. Dunno really.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The other power set hinted at by the devs today is almost certainly 2-handed weapons:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=3702213 Team Inspirations sound good too |
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That article does seem to imply that the set will be store fodder.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The other power set hinted at by the devs today is almost certainly 2-handed weapons:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=3702213 Team Inspirations sound good too |
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There's speculation that it will be a staff/pole arm set
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Originally Posted by blueruckus
That new Joystiq article most certainly confirmed 2 handed weapons but it won't be available with I21 launch. Although Katana is already a 2 handed weapon so I'm not sure what this is all about. The mention of it doesn't really sound like a new powerset but a new mechanic. Dunno really.
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Simply because that is very definitely something we got free before hand. I honestly don't mind fluff items like costumes or temp powers but actual powersets is kind of where I draw the line.
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