Okay, so, week late due to the American delay, but weird theory of the whatever (stop me if this is old).
It's obvious that River couldn't join the battle because she knew she couldn't change her history, but anyone else think that military girl who died might also have been River? A younger, more reckless River, who was willing to try and change her past for the Doctor's sake? It seemed very conspicuous that she knew the Doctor and he didn't know her...like maybe...her past is his future (okay, that's a lot of people, granted). Plus, River knew what was going to happen to the Doctor at Demon's Run, and that seems like the kind of "spoiler" he wouldn't just go telling her past self. Not sure it's very likely, but I think it'd be a sensible twist.
Yea, thought the young soldier could have been River as well. Heck, the Eyepatch lady could also be River if we didn't know where River ended up.
Now who else want's to see the continuing adventures of the Silurian and her maid in the 1800's.
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Now who else want's to see the continuing adventures of the Silurian and her maid in the 1800's.
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Also, the River/Pond thing was pretty good. And definitely a good reason for River's very different reactions to Amy than to Donna.
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Originally Posted by Back Alley Brawler
Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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Wow. Rory is a total bad*** when Amy is in danger.
Goodbye, I guess.
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I know a lot of people don't really like Rory, but the Last Centurion is one of my favorite Doctor Who characters. I really wish we would have seen some of his life waiting the 2000 years for Amy.
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm assuming he's got be a pretty good fighter having survived all that time. I was hoping to see some of that in this episode, so that was a little disappointing.
Also, the whole idea of Amy watching her future daughter get all flirty and sexual tensiony with the Doctor is kind of creepy now that she knows who River actually is.
I really like what they did with Rory the last episode:
Amy talking to Melody about "he" who's coming for them. Who appears young but is hundreds of years old and is Melody's father. We are being set up for her to say "The Doctor", but she says, "The Last Centurion".
Badass standing up to Cybermen.
The scene with River where she realizes she's alone with... her dad, but can't say anything... "Rory.."
When the Silurian says the Doctor has never risen so high, and Rory turns with a look that brings to mind that "OH SH..." moment because of River saying that means he will fall so far.
Rory kissing and crying.
Rory getting The Doctor to break up the hug.
Good stuff.
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Problem with that: The Doctor has been very, very curious about River's identity since he "first" met her in the Library. The Doctor is a resourceful fellow. *Somewhere* in that, he would have managed to count how many hearts River has.
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Originally Posted by starphoenix
I would say that she is either a full Time Lord or close to it.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Wow. Rory is a total bad*** when Amy is in danger.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I really like what they did with Rory the last episode:
Amy talking to Melody about "he" who's coming for them. Who appears young but is hundreds of years old and is Melody's father. We are being set up for her to say "The Doctor", but she says, "The Last Centurion". Badass standing up to Cybermen. The scene with River where she realizes she's alone with... her dad, but can't say anything... "Rory.." When the Silurian says the Doctor has never risen so high, and Rory turns with a look that brings to mind that "OH SH..." moment because of River saying that means he will fall so far. Rory kissing and crying. Rory getting The Doctor to break up the hug. Good stuff. |
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IMO it could be a better spinoff than Torchwood. Not many shows that have a lizard alien lesbian and her female human companion.
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The first step in being sane is to admit that you are insane.
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Indeed. River is a vortex affected *human*. She would not be of the same species as the Time Lords, thus, she would have a different physiology.|
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Problem with that: The Doctor has been very, very curious about River's identity since he "first" met her in the Library. The Doctor is a resourceful fellow. *Somewhere* in that, he would have managed to count how many hearts River has.
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IMO it could be a better spinoff than Torchwood. Not many shows that have a lizard alien lesbian and her female human companion.
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Indeed. He stood guard over Amy for 2000 years without going insane or losing sight of his task. Despite appearing to be a bumbler, he is quite obviously made of pretty stern stuff.
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I always knew he had it in him.
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Goodbye may seem forever
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Wow. Rory is a total bad*** when Amy is in danger.
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Which I don't get. Having a married couple as companions is a nice change of pace. And the dynamic between Rory and Amy is dead on. Especially for a relationship between a very fierce Scotswoman and, well, anyone.
Not to mention he's clearly the most perceptive of the three (ref: Eleventh Hour, Amy's Choice). Must be where River/Melody got it from.
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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I don't get the hate for Rory, he's been one of my favourite non-Doctor characters.
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And yet his hatedom will find something to despise about him.
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Jealousy.
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I don't get the hate for Rory
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Jealousy.
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Is it lesbianism if it's cross species?
I also liked Rory being reminded he's not a warrior, he's a nurse.
Loved Rory's "You're so Scottish" line to Amy's plea to "let everyone else die first".
Both Amy and Rory aren't normal humans. Amy grew up with a crack in space and time next to her bed and Rory is occasionally nearly 2000 years old, when he remembers not to mention being erased from all time and space and brought back.
Everyone catch the line "unless there are two Doctors". That flesh duplicate will be back, mark my words.
They also did "who is Amy talking about" when she was warning off the Silence.
Just a few thoughts.
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Its Rory's great, defining trait: the overwhelming need to protect and care for someone. It makes him a good nurse, a steadfast centurion, and very dangerous man when Amy is in danger. It also means on the flip side, he bumbles about some when his strong-willed wife is not in danger or great need. Hence the jokes about "Mr. Pond". His trait is what made him team up with "Jen" in the Almost People, because she seemed more at need at the moment than Amy did. I was a bit miffed at him at first when he left Amy with the Doctor until I realized he was acting on this primal motivation, to help and protect.|
Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade
Wow. Rory is a total bad*** when Amy is in danger.
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I find him one of the most refreshing companions in years. I find the marriage to be a good fit on the Tardis. Unfortunately, I can't help thinking that with all these plot twists and turns that the apparent death of Doctor 11 is a red herring and not what River referred to about killing the best man she ever knew. A nagging part of my mind is saying that could mean Rory, and that all these "deaths" he's suffered are foreshadowings of one permanent death. Adding to that feeling was the look on River's face when Rory approached her alone at the jail. To me it looked more than River holding back her secret. Rather, it looked like the face of a child starved to know better a father lost years before.
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Originally Posted by Father Xmas
I also liked Rory being reminded he's not a warrior, he's a nurse.
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It's a special type of hero whose first instinct is to hell with his or her own safety and charge the gates of hell to save someone else. They rarely get the recognition they deserve. In America we call the Corpsmen, Medics, or just plain Doc.
That's why Rory is a hero.
That's why Amy loves him.
That's why people are jealous of him.
I'm sure a lot of the Rory hate is because certain fans want to ship Amy and The Doctor and Rory gets in the way of that.
Of course, maybe they'll stop their Amy/Doctor shipping when they realize that Amy is The Doctor's mother-in-law.
I'd love to see his eyes gleam knowing the reaction he'll get as he pauses for a moment and then calls Amy 'mum'.
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I don't know, I rather like Rory, and thought, A Good Man Goes to War, had quite a few Rory scenes.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I'm sure a lot of the Rory hate is because certain fans want to ship Amy and The Doctor and Rory gets in the way of that.
Of course, maybe they'll stop their Amy/Doctor shipping when they realize that Amy is The Doctor's mother-in-law. I'd love to see his eyes gleam knowing the reaction he'll get as he pauses for a moment and then calls Amy 'mum'. |
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Originally Posted by Rodoan
Its Rory's great, defining trait: the overwhelming need to protect and care for someone. It makes him a good nurse, a steadfast centurion, and very dangerous man when Amy is in danger. It also means on the flip side, he bumbles about some when his strong-willed wife is not in danger or great need. Hence the jokes about "Mr. Pond". His trait is what made him team up with "Jen" in the Almost People, because she seemed more at need at the moment than Amy did. I was a bit miffed at him at first when he left Amy with the Doctor until I realized he was acting on this primal motivation, to help and protect.
I find him one of the most refreshing companions in years. I find the marriage to be a good fit on the Tardis. Unfortunately, I can't help thinking that with all these plot twists and turns that the apparent death of Doctor 11 is a red herring and not what River referred to about killing the best man she ever knew. A nagging part of my mind is saying that could mean Rory, and that all these "deaths" he's suffered are foreshadowings of one permanent death. Adding to that feeling was the look on River's face when Rory approached her alone at the jail. To me it looked more than River holding back her secret. Rather, it looked like the face of a child starved to know better a father lost years before. |
Something to remember regarding River's genetics.
The Doctor is Gallifreyan, and also a Time Lord, there is no indication that you must become a Time Lord if you are a Gallifreyan (There is non-cannon info about this but it's best to ignore that)
Its unclear what extras come with becoming a Time Lord (Regeneration is the most obvious and likely candidate, using the Rassilon imprimatur to symbioticly bind to a TARDIS is another. Some unreliable sources suggest the second heart only comes after the first regeneration)
However, the point is that the Doctor is a Gallifreyan Time Lord and River is (at least close to being) a Human Time Lord. And that any one genetic feature that we know of from the Doctor may be either due to him being Gallifreyan or may be due to him being a Time Lord, only the latter would be possible to apply to River.
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I don't know, I rather like Rory, and thought, A Good Man Goes to War, had quite a few Rory scenes.
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That would make River saying that she killed a good man, the best man she ever knew, take on a new twist... it might also explain her shock and surprise when she saw Rory in the prison, because maybe the last time she saw him, she killed him.
Just a thought.
Vaguely on topic, I finally got around to starting the modern era stuff with Eccleston. So I'll get back to you guys in a few months after I catch up. >.>
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