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Because she still has Time Lord DNA and is pretty much the closest thing to one (complete with the whimsical temperment). In their minds, she's dangerous as hell. So they contain her.|
Originally Posted by The_Spad_EU
I would be in line with River's previous claim to have killed "The greatest man I ever knew", but then why had the clerics locked her up for it if they were the ones who wanted him dead and it's all so very confusing...
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Well...mostly.
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This was discussed. Conceived onboard the TARDIS, in-flight through the time vortex. Mutation, and probably one of the functions of the TARDIS (stabilizing life functions of passengers (see: Castrovalva).
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Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica
we still have the question of how River has 1/2 Timelord DNA,
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"I have gene-spliced myself for all nursing duties. I can produce magnificent quantities of lactic fluid!"|
Originally Posted by Rodoan
I thought the Sontaran was interesting, but then, I've always been a fan of that group. Would have been fascinating if the Doctor had a Sontaran for a traveling companion for a time. One who bucked the traditional mindthink of the Sontaran, at least a bit.
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Yes. I saw the joke coming and I was STILL mightily disturbed by it.
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Originally Posted by NinjaPirate
"I have gene-spliced myself for all nursing duties. I can produce magnificent quantities of lactic fluid!"
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And also, "I am twelve years old". Realizing the lifespans of the Sontaran clone army is what creeped me out.|
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This, coupled with his warrior pride in being a nurse (expressed to the person best able to appreciate it, no less) gave the Sontaran the best death scene since Father Octavian, IMO.
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Indeed. I loved the Warrior-turned-Nurse's words to the Nurse-turned-Warrior.
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Originally Posted by Casual_Player
And also, "I am twelve years old". Realizing the lifespans of the Sontaran clone army is what creeped me out.
This, coupled with his warrior pride in being a nurse (expressed to the person best able to appreciate it, no less) gave the Sontaran the best death scene since Father Octavian, IMO. |
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
One other thing to pay attention to guys.
Remember what they were saying about the language of the Gamma Forest people?
1: No word for "pond", thus "river".
2: The word for "melody" approximated to "song".
3: The word "Doctor" means "great warrior".
This kind of gives a MAJOR cant of character to "Doctor River Song".
In fact the entire episode was rife with the need to draw attention to titles.
Hopefully no one goes for any bathroom humor on "Jack the Ripper", seeing as he was eaten by the Silurian. 
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Ah, but the Doctor said that it doesn't work that way, conceiving a child on the TARDIS doesn't make the child any part Time Lord, what it did do was give the bad guys a head start, something they could work from.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
This was discussed. Conceived onboard the TARDIS, in-flight through the time vortex. Mutation, and probably one of the functions of the TARDIS (stabilizing life functions of passengers (see: Castrovalva).
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How many children were conceived on the TARDIS? It is doubtful that other Time Lords had alien companions with them so any children that were conceived on their TARDISes would naturally have Time Lord DNA. Besides there is numerous physiological changes to the Doctor's companions so it is reasonable that children would have more noticeable changes than adults and fetuses would have the most changes.|
Originally Posted by Zikar
Ah, but the Doctor said that it doesn't work that way, conceiving a child on the TARDIS doesn't make the child any part Time Lord, what it did do was give the bad guys a head start, something they could work from.
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If River didn't have Time Lord DNA from the start, then it would require Time Lord DNA from another source so the bad guys might have injected the Doctor's DNA into her. She would be more susceptible to Time Lord DNA compared to a regular human fetus.
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I'd say this is more likely, although I expect it won't be from the Doctor, but one of the other Time Lords that are almost definitely still out there, like the Master, the Rani, Rassilon or Omega... or maybe the Monk |
Originally Posted by starphoenix
If River didn't have Time Lord DNA from the start, then it would require Time Lord DNA from another source so the bad guys might have injected the Doctor's DNA into her. She would be more susceptible to Time Lord DNA compared to a regular human fetus.
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Besides, if it had been a natural mutation, it wouldn't have made her part Time Lord, it would have made her something totally different.
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Did he? The way I understood him, a fully formed person couldn't be mutated in the short span of a lifetime exposure to the Time Vortex (as it normally takes billions of years), but when the likelihood of the actual conception having occurred in that environment was pointed out to him he had an "Oh crap!" moment that implies such an event could result in that unique mutation (1/2 timelord DNA). And such hybrid DNA gives Them (nebulous bad guy pronoun) a headstart on full Time Lord DNA.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Ah, but the Doctor said that it doesn't work that way
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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No, what the Doctor was saying, was that it took billions of years of evolution whilst living next to the untempered schism to produce the Time Lords. A single generation of flying through the Time Vortex wouldn't have a huge effect on someone, but it would open a door, given them a head start.
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Did he? The way I understood him, a fully formed person couldn't be mutated in the short span of a lifetime exposure to the Time Vortex (as it normally takes billions of years), but when the likelihood of the actual conception having occurred in that environment was pointed out to him he had an "Oh crap!" moment that implies such an event could result in that unique mutation (1/2 timelord DNA). And such hybrid DNA gives Them (nebulous bad guy pronoun) a headstart on full Time Lord DNA.
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And after that the Doctor mentions that the first time that Amy and Rory was on the TARDIS was on their wedding night to the female lizard. Which gives a head start to anyone trying to make a Time Lord. We don't have the file on the changes done to River before she was born.|
Originally Posted by Zikar
No, what the Doctor was saying, was that it took billions of years of evolution whilst living next to the untempered schism to produce the Time Lords. A single generation of flying through the Time Vortex wouldn't have a huge effect on someone, but it would open a door, given them a head start.
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As far as River being in the spacesuit and killing the Doctor, then it is not possible unless one or both of them are flesh duplicates since she was there and you can't be with yourself at the same area at the same time. There must be some distance where such paradoxes don't come into play since I don't think that River encountered herself in the spacesuit in 1969.
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She isn't necessarily a Time Lord. She's something akin to the early Gallifreyans though.|
Originally Posted by Zikar
Ah, but the Doctor said that it doesn't work that way, conceiving a child on the TARDIS doesn't make the child any part Time Lord, what it did do was give the bad guys a head start, something they could work from.
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And think about it:
Amy has basically occupied a room with a crack in time (see: The Untempered Schism) for 10-20 years. With time energy leaking through.
Plus she (and her husband) been on the TARDIS as companions for a relatively extended period, with all the background radiation you soak up from that.
They've been exposed to an extreme alien hallucinogen (with Bob-knows-what) physiological effects (see research into LSD and chromosomal changes, crack babies, etc).
Amy was basically put into a giant alien life support device for 2000 years.
Rory was relatively erased from time (fell through the crack, See: The Untempered Schism).
They both survived the resetting of the universe and emergence into a third timeline with Rory's reconversion into a human.
Then River was conceived on board the TARDIS.
Think about all the various energies that they've been exposed to and the various mutations that might possibly happen (both good and bad). In two generations.
I'm not saying the TARDIS mutated River. The various issues above could MORE than account for that. I'm saying that the TARDIS acted as a biological stabilization factor for her in the early days of the pregnancy and took what would have been an extreme-risk pregnancy and turned it into something that could viably be given birth to. Granted, if the "astronaut" was River as well, then she probably needed more stabilization as she matured. Betting the first regeneration took her the rest of the way to stable.
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Who's to say what affected the Gallifreyans in a slow, gradual manner would "jump start" human mutation. Also, how many Gallifreyans were living within 5 feet of a crack in time for a couple decades?|
Originally Posted by Zikar
No, what the Doctor was saying, was that it took billions of years of evolution whilst living next to the untempered schism to produce the Time Lords. A single generation of flying through the Time Vortex wouldn't have a huge effect on someone, but it would open a door, given them a head start.
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And the early Gallifreyans may or may not have had the stabilizing effects of a wonky old Type 40 TARDIS to keep such mutations survivable. Not to mention how many of them had "mum and da" "dancing" on said wonky old TARDIS during conception?
Not to mention all the other weird stuff the two had been exposed to.
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Remember, the Doctor didn't say she was "half Time Lord" or fully Time Lord. But something akin to an early Galifreyan after centuries/eons of exposure to the Time Vortex.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Did he? The way I understood him, a fully formed person couldn't be mutated in the short span of a lifetime exposure to the Time Vortex (as it normally takes billions of years), but when the likelihood of the actual conception having occurred in that environment was pointed out to him he had an "Oh crap!" moment that implies such an event could result in that unique mutation (1/2 timelord DNA). And such hybrid DNA gives Them (nebulous bad guy pronoun) a headstart on full Time Lord DNA.
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See my post above on various factors for why something like this could be possible.
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I would say that she is either a full Time Lord or close to it. At least, when River was a kid. Time Lords are the only known race that goes through regenerations and River is either on her last Regeneration, more careful than the Doctor with her life, or lost her power to regenerate. The first and last speculations are based on River's death at the library planet, but that could be explained away as a death that kills any Time Lord even if they have a full set of regenerations left.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
Remember, the Doctor didn't say she was "half Time Lord" or fully Time Lord. But something akin to an early Galifreyan after centuries/eons of exposure to the Time Vortex.
See my post above on various factors for why something like this could be possible. |
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Time Lords can be killed, if something kills them, they can't regenerate.|
Originally Posted by starphoenix
The first and last speculations are based on River's death at the library planet, but that could be explained away as a death that kills any Time Lord even if they have a full set of regenerations left.
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And as we've already pointed out, it was specifically said in the episode that what River did would have killed the Doctor.
Thier are a few interesting things I noticed about the logo. The prominant omega was the most obvious, but it also seemed to have a roman numeral II superimposed (or possibly an 11).
Omega 2?
O2? The Millenium dome is thier base?
Omega 11 = Doctor 11
I like the idea that Peter Davidson could play Omega.
The logo also incorporated wings underneth - is this an attempt to connect the clerics to UNIT?
Oh, and how about this idea: Doctor and River have a child. That child has a daughter called Susan. Susan inherits her gran's tendancy to meet the Doctor in reverse order.
Oh, and what if the Moff is going to revive the idea from the TV movie that the Doctor is part human?
I really should do something about this signature.
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I'm hoping he doesn't, but if anyone can do it and make it work, I think it'd be him. But still, please no.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Oh, and what if the Moff is going to revive the idea from the TV movie that the Doctor is part human?
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I have to say that the organization seemed most interesting. It looked like a confederacy of religious orders working together. There where mentions of a female AI Pope. But of course we also saw a gay Anglican couple
Considering that the head of the Anglican church is traditionally the English monarch, is the future Queen from last season going to be making an appearance again sometime soon?
Possibly the best beginning, best ending, and best next-episode-title-to-tantalize-with that there's been. There were some pretty good middling bits as well, mind...
But curse them for making us wait until September...
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound