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They did explain it in the episode, you had it right with number two. Just before the Headless Monks attacked the Doctor was walking in the control room and they explained that the Timelords became who they were through long term exposure to the time vortex. The reason why Melody/River/Amy's kid is part timelord is because she was conceived while on the Tardis (i.e. Rory's and Amy's wedding night). It would be a lot easier to 'mutate' (for lack of a better word) an undeveloped handful of cells that is a fetus than it would be fully grown adult. |
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we still have the question of how River has 1/2 Timelord DNA,
1) DNA was implanted somehow from Eyepatch lady and Company, I actually think this is the least likely. It was a LOT of effort to get specifically Amy's daughter, when anyone would've been fine. Plus if it was, if the Doctor's DNA was used, it would mean River is his daughter, and sort of preclude a romantic relationship, unless another DNA source was used. 2) Longterm exposure to the TARDIS, means a chance of a companion has a chance of siring a 1/2 TL, unlikely since it would mean that there should be a number of 1/2 TL's running around out there based on the number of companions the Doctor has had. 3) When the universe got rebooted, Rory was recreated as a TL( in his own way, he has already has had three incarnations, Rory before being erased from time, Rory the Nestine, and post universial reboot Rory) 4) Either Rory or Amy were already TLs. I actually like this idea. My thought here is, that before Gallifrey's destruction, one or more Gallifreyan children were sent out and hidden. It would sort of explain the effort to get Amy's child specifically. I do hope the Eyepatch Lady does ultimately end up being the Rani. |
On top of that they have said that people who travel in time are affected by it. If you look at the Torchwood episodes that features Martha Jones (Reset and Dead Man Walking). Martha was captured and given the Reset parasite because they found her to have a unique immune system and mutated red blood cells due to her exposure to time travel!
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The reason River didn't regenerate in Silence in the Library, aside from the fact that who she was probably hadn't been established, was that she said if the Doctor used himself as a connection it would have killed him outright too. I don't see why it'd be different for any River.
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Knowing the internet it'll probably just mean more of it will be made...
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There are some people out there who have been doing Doctor Who slash fiction. Amy/River to be exact. I wonder if this episode will make their brains go boom.
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Very much this.
However, it turned out that Smith was not a time-travelling Terminator
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The reason River didn't regenerate in Silence in the Library, aside from the fact that who she was probably hadn't been established, was that she said if the Doctor used himself as a connection it would have killed him outright too. I don't see why it'd be different for any River.
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And it will turn out that River is Amy's mother, too.
Why do you think Amy was at the heart of the Time fracture?
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Amy is actually the daughter of River and the Doctor. Thus she has part timelord DNA to pass on. Which would make her her own grandmother.|
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And it will turn out that River is Amy's mother, too.
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Time fractured as a result of paradox overload.
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Well, I've been checking out other places where there are Doctor Who discussions and something was brought up which amused me to no end.
There are some people out there who have been doing Doctor Who slash fiction. Amy/River to be exact. I wonder if this episode will make their brains go boom. |
Cracking episode though even if for once I had worked out the twist. Totally didn't expect the dissolving baby though.
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Really? Because it was out by 20:00 BST (though re-released around midnight due to audio sync issues) and that's assuming you couldn't get it via iPlayer...
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Guys, we saw her mother and father at her wedding after the Doctor rebooted the universe.
My guess is, that River ends up being the Doctors mother, since doctor figured out who she is after she pointed him to the the galifrean writing on his own crib...
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Yes, that makes perfect sense and explains why he was so excited about the prospect of further romance *with his own mother*...
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Originally Posted by XelosTi
My guess is, that River ends up being the Doctors mother, since doctor figured out who she is after she pointed him to the the galifrean writing on his own crib...
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I wonder if people listen to themselves. Doctor Who might not be your average family show, but I don't think it's in the realms of Oedipus levels of incest.
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Yes, that makes perfect sense and explains why he was so excited about the prospect of further romance *with his own mother*...
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Interview on BBC website pretty much confirms River is not the Doctor's Mommy "unless Steve changes his mind".
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She wasn't pointing him at the writing on his crib. Just like she wasn't pointing Amy at the writing on his crib. She was pointing out the thingy with her name stitched on it which was lying in the crib.
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My guess is, that River ends up being the Doctors mother, since doctor figured out who she is after she pointed him to the the galifrean writing on his own crib...
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Nope. River is the daughter of two people that he cares about and is part Time Lord. Young River is the one person that the Doctor would teach almost everything to. He is no longer alone being the last Time Lord. Also, the Time War locked the history of Gallifrey so it is almost impossible for any present character to affect the past.
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My guess is, that River ends up being the Doctors mother, since doctor figured out who she is after she pointed him to the the galifrean writing on his own crib...
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Well, I haven't seen it to comment quite yet, but if I had I would presumably be foaming at the mouth about Omega.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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Assuming they stick to the "can't cross your own time stream" thing there is now only ONE regular cast member who can be in the spacesuit to kill The Doctor. Amy Pond. She's the ony one who wasn't already present.
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Well, I haven't seen it to comment quite yet, but if I had I would presumably be foaming at the mouth about Omega.
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I was skeptical about the web's chatter about Omega's return, but seeing the symbol turn up everywhere, even in places like this, its hard to think otherwise.
I thought the Sontaran was interesting, but then, I've always been a fan of that group. Would have been fascinating if the Doctor had a Sontaran for a traveling companion for a time. One who bucked the traditional mindthink of the Sontaran, at least a bit. The lethal lizard lady was cool too, though I don't get why her appearance is so radically different than the others of her kind. Is this the only time Jack the Ripper has been referenced in Doctor Who? I would have thought they'd have done something regarding him before.
The Doctor's hesitancy to speak of his children: Is it established canon that he was married and had kids, or did he simply refer to Susan as his granddaughter, and was instead her adopted grandfather?
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The lethal lizard lady was cool too, though I don't get why her appearance is so radically different than the others of her kind.
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The BBC is currently trying to keep a some form of control on canon contunity and so maintains a good bit of approval power on the "side lines" of the series (the audios, books comics, games and such) in an attempt to keep one from contradicting the others (they usually shoot down ideas from the side lines as being possible for the show, and if you believe some of the producers of those side lines steal plot ideas fairly regularly, especially under Moff). The mention of Jack the Ripper has sent a small ripple of discontent through those product makers and license holders since the IDW comic series did a three issue series on Jack with assurances Moff had no intention of using Jack. The fact it was a throwaway line just made it worse.|
Originally Posted by Rodoan
Spoilers, of course.
Yep. And if you get the chance to look at that brief sideways glance at the nameplate for Melody Pond (as the story opens), you'll note that the Identification code just below the name has a prominent Omega as well. I was skeptical about the web's chatter about Omega's return, but seeing the symbol turn up everywhere, even in places like this, its hard to think otherwise. I thought the Sontaran was interesting, but then, I've always been a fan of that group. Would have been fascinating if the Doctor had a Sontaran for a traveling companion for a time. One who bucked the traditional mindthink of the Sontaran, at least a bit. The lethal lizard lady was cool too, though I don't get why her appearance is so radically different than the others of her kind. Is this the only time Jack the Ripper has been referenced in Doctor Who? I would have thought they'd have done something regarding him before. The Doctor's hesitancy to speak of his children: Is it established canon that he was married and had kids, or did he simply refer to Susan as his granddaughter, and was instead her adopted grandfather? |
Prior to that, Jack's been "in" Doctor Who three other times: once only tangentally in the series in The Talons of Wang-Chiang (more a reference than directly addressing Jack), once in another comic featuring the 8th Doc and once in the 7th Doctor Novel Matrix (where The Valeyard is using Jack for cover). Needless to say, neither of the last 2 are directly canon and no overarching control fromt he Beeb was in place like now. However, given the current agreements and practices with the Beeb on keeping things straight with the new series the argument could be made for the IDW comics being "in universe" canon.
As a sidenote on this, during his last series appearance, Omega attempted to duplicate himself onto The Doctor's template during Peter Davison's run in the part. According to IMDB (who for it right last year on the cast list well ahead of the episode) Peter Davison is in the final eps this year. Beyond that, we still don't know who "The Voice" that took control of the TARDIS was in last season's final eps, so it is possible they're setting up Omega. I still doubt they are, but I freely admit it is possible.
And yes, it is established that The Doc had a family and kids and such. Doc 10 mentions them several times (and Rose is none to happy hearing that).
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Just been thinking about the whole possible return of Omega with all the referrences people have spotted this episode (I will admit I missed them).
What if the quote 'Silence will fall' from Matt Smith's first season isn't about the the Silence coming at all. What if we turned it on its head and it means that the Silence will fall as in they will be defeated. All the badies could have been fortelling the Doctor's defeat of the Silence this episode??
What if the Silence were working, although in a selfish manipulate the human race sort of way, to prevent the return of Omega? It was established that Amy was replaced somewhere between the end of the last season when she got pregnant on her wedding night and beginning of season 6 so it raises the question about why would the Silence want to capture a ganger of Amy?? It was originally theorised they are the ones who inpregnanted her, but that isn't the case.
I think that the Silence wanted baby River Song for themselves, possibly to stop the return of Omega?
Or even if there is no plans to bring Omega back it could possibly be that the Silence are still trying to fight Kovarian in someway or have some other intentions. Perhaps the Silence are present throughout the universe?
I don't know - not entirely got it all connected in my head but just rewatching the last season with knowledge of this season has made me look at things a bit differently!
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Well, I've been checking out other places where there are Doctor Who discussions and something was brought up which amused me to no end.
There are some people out there who have been doing Doctor Who slash fiction. Amy/River to be exact. I wonder if this episode will make their brains go boom.
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!