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I actually enjoyed it. It was different for sure. It looks like they tried to show some changing on the parts of Jack and Barbosa, but then at the end Barbosa seems to have gone back to his old ways anyways, and the change was of course just an act.
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Originally Posted by Demobot
I'm not surprised there hasn't been a thread for this yet. As someone who enjoyed all three of the previous Pirates movies (yes, all three), On Stranger Tides is a disappointment
The plot is disjointed, the action scenes are devoid of any urgency or genuine thrill, Blackbeard fails to be anywhere near as menacing or villainous as Jones and Barbossa were, new, boring characters are introduced and old, entertaining ones were abandoned (no Pintel and Ragetti). All in all, it feels like a movie that suffered from a rewrite of the script midway through production and the result is painful. |
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It felt like too much of a rehash of the first one, and the love plot between the missionary and the mermaid seemed totally out of place, which becomes evident when you realize just how little interaction there was between Jack and those two characters.
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I have no plans to see this. I somewhat enjoyed the first one (I'd put it at about 6.5/10), fell asleep watching the second one and faded in and out of consciousness during the third. I really have no deire to pay for another $12 nap.
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On Stranger Tides is much better than Dead Man's Chest and At World's End... just saying. 
Hope everyone stuck around for the scene after the credits.
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On Stranger Tides is much better than Dead Man's Chest and At World's End... just saying.
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I barely made to the credits. I wasn't gonna stick around any longer than that. Please tell me it didn't set up yet another sequel in this long played out series.
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I barely made to the credits. I wasn't gonna stick around any longer than that. Please tell me it didn't set up yet another sequel in this long played out series.
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Yup. Setup for another one.|
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I barely made to the credits. I wasn't gonna stick around any longer than that. Please tell me it didn't set up yet another sequel in this long played out series.
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And seeing as how it's made back all it's money and almost another 400million so far, I'm sure we'll get another
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My biggest complaint about the movies is that Depp seemed to be phoning it in during a few scenes. Sparrow works best playing off of other characters, imho, than he does just rambling next to or prancing around in front of extras.
I enjoyed McShane and Cruz though. And Rush is always awesome as Barbossa. And as I understand it, an early version of the script actually showed Barbossa losing the Pearl to Blackbeard. I'd watch a movie focusing on that.
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It felt like too much of a rehash of the first one, and the love plot between the missionary and the mermaid seemed totally out of place, which becomes evident when you realize just how little interaction there was between Jack and those two characters.
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I support the missionary's position!
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I was left wishing Blackbeard had been better written. Ian McShane was great (but it seemed like Swearengen from Deadwood without the cussing), but the didn't explain the zombies very much, or his sword and how he was able to control the Revenge with it.
I would have liked a more over-the-top version of Blackbeard, if they were going to go the supernatural route. He was overshadowed by Barbossa in the first movie and Davy Jones in the other two.
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I personally found the movie to be almost as good as the first. I also quite liked that they didn't feel the need to explain just how Blackbeard got his sorcerer/necromancer powers nor half the other mythological stuff in the movie, they just are.
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I personally found the movie to be almost as good as the first. I also quite liked that they didn't feel the need to explain just how Blackbeard got his sorcerer/necromancer powers nor half the other mythological stuff in the movie, they just are.
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But it isn't in the same league as the first three, and I think I know why.
1) The first three movies worked great b/c of the big three characters, Turner, Swann, and Sparrow. Johnny Depp's Sparrow really had no one to play off in this movie, I'm not saying they should've brought back Swann and Turner( or they shouldn't), but having no one to react to Sparrow, except for maybe his female equivilant........
2) The real big bads here, were the Spaniards, which were basically card board cutouts
3) You didn't have anything like the everyman's role/ comedy relief of the red coast pair, or the pirate pair, the closest you had here, was the little side story of the priest and the mermaid which seemed tacked on
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I thought the movie was worth the ticket( which is more than can I say of some other movies I've seen),
But it isn't in the same league as the first three, and I think I know why. 1) The first three movies worked great b/c of the big three characters, Turner, Swann, and Sparrow. Johnny Depp's Sparrow really had no one to play off in this movie, I'm not saying they should've brought back Swann and Turner( or they shouldn't), but having no one to react to Sparrow, except for maybe his female equivilant........ 2) The real big bads here, were the Spaniards, which were basically card board cutouts 3) You didn't have anything like the everyman's role/ comedy relief of the red coast pair, or the pirate pair, the closest you had here, was the little side story of the priest and the mermaid which seemed tacked on |
They knew they'd need a tear. And I get the feeling from the movie that Angelica knew when they started on their quest they were going to need to go another route to get a tear from the mermaid, rather than one of beating it out of her.
So they kept the missionary around as they knew he was the type to at the very least care enough about the mermaid to try to rescue her.
She would lie to people by telling them the truth. She thought the way to save her fathers soul was to let him live longer (whats one more murder tacked onto many others?
) So saying they kept the missionary around because she thought he could save her father's soul was true, but not in the way she led Jack to believe.Of course Black Beard thought it foolish, thinking beating the tear out of the mermaid would work, but a back up plan is never a bad thing.
As for the loss of the two red coats and the two comedy pirates, my guess is they died on the Black Pearl when Black Beard took it down, and the audience was expected to know this. And it adds more impact to Barbosa losing the Pearl, when you know his whole crew was wiped out and your left thinking "Damn Black Beard! He killed off the two pirates!"
Yes, would of been more of an impact if we saw this scene take place.
Of course they could of decided they needed to do it off camera, incase they wanted to bring any of those pirates back for #5.
"Oh look! They weren't part of Barbosa's crew at the time of the Pearl being taken down!"
But in doing this, yes, they probably should of put in a new comedy pair.
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Well, the monkey survived... Who knows if Jack is actually alone on the Pearl?
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I had a different experience. While I'll grant that Blackbeard was not as menacing as Davy Jones, I thought there was peril a-plenty. And it's a Pirates of the Caribbean flick, which is to say that it's a romp, not a thriller.|
Originally Posted by Demobot
The plot is disjointed, the action scenes are devoid of any urgency or genuine thrill, Blackbeard fails to be anywhere near as menacing or villainous as Jones and Barbossa were, new, boring characters are introduced and old, entertaining ones were abandoned (no Pintel and Ragetti). All in all, it feels like a movie that suffered from a rewrite of the script midway through production and the result is painful.
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The beginning action sequence was terrific, and the scene where we meet Angelica was every bit as fun as the reveal in the first movie that Will the blacksmith was also a swordsman. Nearly as good as the second film and waaaay better than the third; I don't regret spending a rainy afternoon at the matinee.
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Really? I thought Jack setting up his escape mousetrap style in front of everyone was indicative of how lazy the franchise has become.
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Originally Posted by Ironik
I had a different experience. While I'll grant that Blackbeard was not as menacing as Davy Jones, I thought there was peril a-plenty. And it's a Pirates of the Caribbean flick, which is to say that it's a romp, not a thriller.
The beginning action sequence was terrific, and the scene where we meet Angelica was every bit as fun as the reveal in the first movie that Will the blacksmith was also a swordsman. Nearly as good as the second film and waaaay better than the third; I don't regret spending a rainy afternoon at the matinee. |
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Couldn't disagree more. I utterly despised those stock Disney cliche/trope characters in the other PoTC movies. The movies don't need bumbling comic relief with all the humor and wordplay they can pull off with the other characters like Sparrow, Biggs, and Barbossa.
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3) You didn't have anything like the everyman's role/ comedy relief of the red coast pair, or the pirate pair, the closest you had here, was the little side story of the priest and the mermaid which seemed tacked on |
Tales of Judgment. Also here, instead of that other place.
good luck D.B.B.
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Originally Posted by Agonus
Couldn't disagree more. I utterly despised those stock Disney cliche/trope characters in the other PoTC movies. The movies don't need bumbling comic relief with all the humor and wordplay they can pull off with the other characters like Sparrow, Biggs, and Barbossa.
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I noticed when those characters weren't in this movie, and I found it odd that they weren't there. That kind of sucked a bit of immersion for me. Not much, but noticeable.
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I saw this with the family last weekend, and it was a lot of fun. Great popcorn movie.
Also, Ian McShane makes everything better.
I really liked the movie. The only problem I had with it was the wrap-up to the missionary/mermaid sub-plot. It seems like it could have been wrapped up before the climax, or else just left unfinished as it wasn't important anymore.
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Saw it a while ago. I like it more the the second and third ones, but it still had its problems. It seems like they fell back on the whole "let Jack take the back seat and have the focus be on Will and Elizabeth", but since they weren't in it, it felt like there were long bits where there was no main focus and everyone was a side character.
I felt the missionary/mermaid subplot was a tacked on love story and the only purpose was to move the main plot along. They could have found a faster way to get it moving without having these forgettable characters take up screen time.
I'm not surprised there hasn't been a thread for this yet. As someone who enjoyed all three of the previous Pirates movies (yes, all three), On Stranger Tides is a disappointment
The plot is disjointed, the action scenes are devoid of any urgency or genuine thrill, Blackbeard fails to be anywhere near as menacing or villainous as Jones and Barbossa were, new, boring characters are introduced and old, entertaining ones were abandoned (no Pintel and Ragetti). All in all, it feels like a movie that suffered from a rewrite of the script midway through production and the result is painful.
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