Keyes Island on test?

My villains are cool with that.
They're all for punching a hole in the Sonic Barrier and then destroying the Praetorian portal to Primal Earth, no matter what Papa Smurf says. Blowing up the Keyes reactors would do just that.


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The cool part being that Vanguard seems to disagree.
But hey, you do what you gotta to get the villains on board too.

Kang.


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If my villain blew up the reactor how should she take over.

Why limit conquest to one world?

There's also Kang's arc to help support slavery.

Do they? I must have missed the Vanguard arcs that send Villains to Praetoria to attack random targets.

There are more than two worlds to take over you know. Why bother trying to take over the one ruled by super-powered jerks with giant robots when there are are worlds ruled by people like Oranbegans who have outlawed violence, a Nemesis who hasn't had to come up with a new plot in ages so he's probably going to just reuse our Nemesis's easily foiled plots, Family who are wusses with all kinds of cool stuff, Freakshow who are again wusses and should be pretty easy to distract with something shiny while you take over, Axis America which is currently leaderless, and a whole infinite multiverse full of dimensions not ruled by super-powerful jerks with giant robots. Nuke Praetoria and move on, I say.

What's one world out of a presumably infinite number? Yeah, Praetoria has been nothing but trouble, and it's infested with Hamidon. For sure I'd open the gates to the DE to finish off Cole's followers (thus putting him out of the Well's favor).

Then I'd come back to it after I roll over 'Easily-conquered-advanced-scientists-with-no-concept-of-violence-Earth' and have a couple of star destroyers to clear out the DE.


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I'm not gonna say you'll never find that combo of advanced science and utter inability to defend themselves, but I'd be willing to bet that world won't be any Earth. When we learn a new trick, by God we figure out how it can be used to blow somebody up!

-Gate

There are reactors there that do not sleep....and the great Cole sees all. The ground there is burnt and pitted, and the air burns the eyes and chokes the throat.

Not with one hundred Incarnates could you do this.

It is folly.



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Why would that put him out of the Well's favor? If anything it'd just give him an excuse to flex his incarnate muscles for real and get even MORE favor.

Not exactly accurate....we've likely figured out the new trick accidentally while trying to blow someone else up.

We'll get Hero 1 and his team to work right on that.

Because this is Johnny's scenario that he made up and it can go down however he wants it to. What with the Well being all "insane" and all, you can't even argue that it's out of character for it to drop Cole like a dirty shirt when the DE are trashing Nova Praetoria and he's running around going "ack, they're throwing bees at me! Get em off get em off get em off!" and we're pointing and laughing from some other dimension we conquered.

It's a bit more complex than that, I think. First, it's not half of Praetoria itself that would be destroyed, it's half of Neutropolis. And the reason for it is... well, I'll pull up the actual text:

"This is ridiculous! Character, this is... the nerve... of everyone! Arachnos troops have taken over one of my reactors! Some fool named Arbiter Sands is leading their troops and plans to blow up one of my own creations! Do you have any idea, any idea how catastrophic that will be?! The other two reactors can survive the blast, I designed them to in case one collapsed. But none of Berry's makeshift toys will survive the impact. Of course, I told him to design them that way, but he wouldn't listen! Half of Neutropolis would be wiped away if that reactor explodes!

Do you know who will be blamed for that? I will, at least by the people! But what am I ordered to do? No, not, 'drop everything and stop Arachnos'. No, I'm ordered to work harder on my projects and allow it to happen. The fools! They want to give us a good reason to hate Arachnos, a good reason for my project. But I never even wanted to fall from Praetorship just to work on this project. I never wanted any of this. And I don't want the destruction of one of my creations be what fuels this little war! "

Basically, the difference is that Antimatter's creations are created to last, while Neuron's aren't quite as robust. The half of Neutropolis being destroyed is just another way of saying "All of Berry's toys will be reduced to dust (plus a few people with them but honestly who cares about them?)"

But wait? Couldn't this be a GOOD thing? I mean, most of Antimatter's rants have been about his rivalry with Neuron, and about how his stuff is better and he should still be Praetor and etc etc... so couldn't he just spin this? Arachnos attacks, blows up the reactor, all of Berry's toys and buildings and stuff are destroyed (along with the people in them, but again, who cares?)... but Antimatter's stuff still stands! This would be the PERFECT chance to show everyone how shoddy Praetor Berry's work really is! And all it would cost is one reactor... which really isn't that big of a loss (as long as the other two stand), and could always be rebuilt anyways.

But instead, he finds an excuse to go ahead and do the right thing (well, send the player to do the right thing. He is a contact after all). A weak justification so he can still hold on to his villain club card. But really, he's still doing the right thing for the wrong reasons... and that's Rogue behavior (although in this case he's doing it for pride and status, rather than money).

It's not exactly showing that he's a hero, far from it. But it is sort of showing that he's not fully a villain either.


(And let's not forget how he lost his Praetor position in the first place. He took the fall for Dominatrix when her little evil plans were found out, even though he had nothing to do with it. And what does he get for his sacrifice? Laughed at. Poor guy...)

But, with one hundred and one Incarnates, it would be a cakewalk.

Dream on. Your resistance pyschos will clean up with the fence power if we don't.

My rationale is thus:

The load screen tip says that the Well doesn't care about morality. It responds only to power.

The way I see it, basically the Well rewards chutzpah and people who get stuff done and it really rewards those who use that power to go out and get more power.

The Well chose Tyrant as its champion because he went out and successfully took over the world. He basically cornered the market on power for his Earth. He 'won', so the Well took notice and boosted him in his big battle against Hami. Now, he's going after more power by taking over another Earth, and the Well is all 'oh yeah, that's how I like it'.

There's a lot of people who've tried to do the same. Recluse, for example, has been trying to take over the world for a long time, but he's never been able to make it happen. He also turned his back on the Well, so that didn't score him any points.

Statesman never sought out more power, as far as he says, so he's below the Well's notice as far as that goes.

So, to recap, for the Well to take notice:

-You have to have the ability gain power on a grand scale. Kind of a 'have money to make money' kind of situation.

-You have to be willing to accept more power from the Well; you have to play the Well's game. Recluse others weren't willing to.


Also, the Well is fickle. The whole point to Trials is that you're eroding Tyrant's power base and the Well is granting you more power as you do it. I presume it will keep backing him until you prove you're his better, likely by taking him down in the 'last' Trial.

But, I also presume that if you were to wipe out everyone in Praetoria, Tyrant would then be 'Emperor of Nothing', the Well would find him wanting for failing to secure his power and would drop him like a bad habit.

That's how I see it, anyways.



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We don't really know it can't.

Recluse and Statesman don't want to have anything to do with the Well, but it can take control of them at any time. At best they've ignored it, at worst, tried to circumvent it. It's simply uninterested in those that don't want to play its game further. They 'earned' the power they already have, perhaps the Well sees no reason to take it away? Just because you don't want to go back on Jeopardy and win more doesn't mean they take your past winnings away.

But the Well has put Tyrant at a power level beyond that of any we have yet to encounter. Being its champion is clearly something special to it, and it may be more likely to hold him to higher 'standards'. Tyrant is 'playing for the house' now. There's nothing to say either way that it will or wont take away the extra power it has given when some other champion material catches its eye.


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The chances of that happening after we defeat him are about the same as the Rogue Isles being liberated after we complete the STF

Then devs wouldn't go to all that trouble to create his dictatorship, only to remove it in a couple of years.

From one of the screenshots from the I20.5 overview page, it looks like we'll be fighting Anti-matter himself during the Trial.

That sounds like the most complex Trial so far