Discussion - Check out the All New Steampunk Booster Pack Trailer!
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Posted on: 2011-05-18 11:53 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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It's a Nemesis plot!!.... they get me all the time with that, too. :P|
Originally Posted by Frosty_Surprise
See, now I want to create a steampunk toon. Why are the devs fueling my altism?
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I am SO buying this as soon as I can get my greedy lil mechanical fingers on it!!
Happily buying it. The people who are complaining that we should get it for free... can look ugly?
Maybe we should get it free, but I don't care. Already have the order ready.
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I'm only curious here but if the server list has been merged that must mean the database now recognises all CoH players, NA & EU, so surely EU players can log into NA test or am I mistaken.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Well, I'd hoped that they'd followed through when they said they were merging the test servers for equalitys sake.
Obviously I was wrong, and should expect to resume normal shafting services from now on out  |
Fury
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I can't find how to install the NA test. The NC Launcher only has the EU test, which I obviously have installed. If there is a manual install, I'd *love* to know where it is...
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Originally Posted by Wondering_Fury
I'm only curious here but if the server list has been merged that must mean the database now recognises all CoH players, NA & EU, so surely EU players can log into NA test or am I mistaken.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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It's possibly to do with the path of the EXE file. Much as our exe has EU in the file name. There must be the instructions somewhere.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I can't find how to install the NA test. The NC Launcher only has the EU test, which I obviously have installed. If there is a manual install, I'd *love* to know where it is...
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Here is the link to the instructions:
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/annou...php?f=576&a=16
Will test this when I get home. Thanks man
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Let me know how it goes as I'll likely run it too tonight |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Will test this when I get home. Thanks man
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Keen to take a look at this booster.
Ah glad to see our little european robot is happy once more, hope it works mate. Do send us a nice UM shot of the full get-up, or via pm.
Fury
If it works, I'll be posting in Bass' thread in the screenies section 
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And who are you calling little, meatbag?!
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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l like all the costume packs so far but.... where is mah tribal booster ?!?!?!
or a Dark ages booster . as for the steam punk i dont really have a toon that uses it but like all the packs ill take a little of that mix it wit a little of some other pack i got an make a outfit to make up for what ever we dont have yet
Fantastic video! Major applause to the people who worked on it! (Or the person...whoever!) This looks like a definite purchase for me.
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Not totally correct. Praetoria, the engine upgrades, and the ENTIRE endgame system require an addon purchase. Don't buy GR, wave byebye to the Incarnate system and all the pretty shinies. Now, this is not unusual in MMOs, but let's not dive off the apologia high board.|
Originally Posted by Diggis
CoH bars no content from anyone able to pay the subs. |
I'm not QUITE as PO'd as Noble Fox about this, but, consider: We have a huge thread dedicated to 'like to sees' for costumes. Apparently we're doing the creative work for the art people, and then having it sold back to us. New back pieces? Asked for for years. Dresses? Asked for for years (and IIRC, it was originally said that, like full robes, would never happen due to clipping issues, as if those don't already exist.)
Given that sex and body changes are still only available via the Science booster, I'm not holding my breath that, if enough folks buy this one, the new facial upgrades won't be locked in the same way.
I then consider some of the apallingly boneheaded design choices made in the Animal and Mutant pack- female fur and Bioarmor boots ONLY with heels? Sure, that's natural looking. (at least they DID finally fix the fur one after endless playerbase screaming). I see no reason to believe there won't be similar issues with this booster. So, you're paying for stuff that looks cool that you then doscover that, due to a lack of thought, doesn't really work as you intended. Or, in some cases, for a single power, such as Beast run.
Add in still incomplete or shabby pre-existing sets (metal, anyone?), which will in all likelihood NEVER be upgraded or fixed.
It really is starting to feel like Cryptic want it both ways- a pay-to-play model PLUS an F2P megashop for anything but the bare bones. For those who don't mind that, cool, enjoy it in good health; for a long time I felt the same, and was guilty of feeding the milking machine. Now, it's starting to grate.
Have we gotten new stuff for free, in terms of systems and powers? Yes. But I fear for the future of the game with all the endless MTs.
Things to remember:
-Common sense ain't;
-Overkill is the only kill;
-If someone asks if you're a god, run away.
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What have Cryptic got to do with anything? Paragon is run by NCSoft since years ago |
Originally Posted by erall
It really is starting to feel like Cryptic want it both ways- a pay-to-play model PLUS an F2P megashop for anything but the bare bones. For those who don't mind that, cool, enjoy it in good health; for a long time I felt the same, and was guilty of feeding the milking machine. Now, it's starting to grate. Have we gotten new stuff for free, in terms of systems and powers? Yes. But I fear for the future of the game with all the endless MTs. |
That said, yeah, I would like to see old sets (and NPCs) get the love they really badly need six years on. I would also like to see more added outside of Packs.
But, ultimately, at least we are slowly getting what we've asked for.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Hmmm, I don't buy all of those things often enough to be tracking the prices over that time scale but... Movie tickets have gone up in price, in fact when some less "newsy" sites present anecdotal evidence of inflation, movie tickets is usually one of the things they point to. The last video game I bought close to it's release date was, well, CoH and I came to that party 4 months late. Cable TV prices are going up, and in fact satellite TV companies make a point of highlighting that in all of their commercials. My internet has been bundled with my cable bill for the last 10 years, it may make up a smaller portion of that price, but that price has gone up. Haven't bought a new TV in the last 10 years, I can watch it on my computer monitor.|
Originally Posted by NobleFox
You are correct. Every time they release one of these they tick off more and more of their subscriber base. Everyone has their limits. One day they'll hit yours as well.
Oh and while we're at it: Movie tickets still cost me what they did ten years ago. Video games still cost me what they did ten years ago. Cable TV still costs me what it did ten years ago. Internet access costs me LESS than it did ten years ago and is infinitely faster. Televisions cost me what they did ten years ago. It shouldn;t shock anyone the monthly fee for MMOs has remained the same or gone down. Oh and by the way, the average salaries for programmers, graphic artists, QA, and writers have all gone SHARPLY down in the last 5 years. Overhead is absolutely no excuse for them to be giving me less value for my $15/month than I was getting before they hit on the idea of charging us for what used to be included. |
Salaries in general in most industries have gone down in the last two years or so. More and more students for the past 10 or so years have been looking for careers in this industry, so laws of supply and demand would seem to indicate that companies can get away with paying less for people in the fields you've indicated. Despite this, as Oliin pointed out, salaries in the field are generally increasing.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I don't think "cynical" means what you think it means.
Its also possible that if you and everyone else didn't buy the booster packs, you just wouldn't be getting this at all. You seem to be under the impression that the art department sits in a room all by themselves and cranks stuff out at their whim, and then NCSoft decides what of that output they will give away with subscriptions, and what they will charge for in a booster pack. That's not how this works. Production and design decide collectively what an Issue will contain, and then the art department makes that. Production and design decide what a booster pack will contain, and then the art department makes that. They can certainly change their minds down the road, but most everything made for this game starts with a decision about what to create that justifies the work by specifying what its supposed to be a part of. The Steampunk pack justifies the existence of the Steampunk costumes. The Steampunk pack did not steal the Steampunk costumes from Issue 20. The bottom line is that by buying those packs, we contributed more money to NCSoft. If you believe NCSoft took that money and bought hookers and champagne, we got screwed. On the other hand, if you believe NCSoft put that money back into Paragon Studios in terms of hiring more staff and getting more resources, then the net result is that we the players ended up with more game. The notion that if we didn't spend as much money, we'd still get the exact same game but for less money is only true if you believe the Booster Pack revenue goes into the Paragon Studios Carnival Cruise fund or that some guy in Korea that looks like Chiun from the Remo Williams movie is getting rich off of us. Take money away from NCSoft, and by extension Paragon Studios, and we get less game. That's inescapable. And when the devs produce less game, we all lose. Sure, no one wants to pay more, but that's the fundamental equation. More money equals more game. Less money equals less game. There's simply no way to calculate how much more game we have because of the revenue NCSoft has collected from Booster Packs, but its almost certainly substantial. Maybe they haven't spent as much time on the specific things you want as you would like. But that would probably still be true if they produced less game overall. The question is: is it worth the trade. And the nice thing about booster packs is we can decide for ourselves individually. If we want them, we buy them. The customers that don't want them or can't afford them don't have to pay for them. They still indirectly benefit from the rest of us funding more game, and we directly get what we want and can afford to pay for. |
Fundamentally, this and all micro-transactions, indeed almost all business transactions in the world come down to "is it worth the trade." Some of the costume packs that they've done aren't worth me spending money on. I have no interest in the wedding pack, for example. I took a look at it again recently when it was announced at half-price. Even at half-price, I didn't think it was worth the trade. Some people like it, good for them. Their purchase pays for more advancements to the game, good for all of us. I'm willing to pay extra for things that I think are worth it, this upcoming pack is one of them. If you aren't willing to pay for it, fine, no one is making you. But don't complain that you aren't getting it.
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Originally Posted by KidLazarus
To me, this looks like the best conceived and executed Booster since Magic. I don't even have any Steam Punk characters, or even concepts for potential characters, but I seen numerous uses for individual pieces. I will be purchasing this one day one.
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Originally Posted by Fomsie
Seriously? Unbelievable.
Come on Devs, get over the costume sexism and give females the coats... I'm more than willing to share the lingerie magic robe and dresses with the male toons, this is just an unjustifiable decision. /angrypanda |
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There's a known issue at the moment with allowing EU Characters to copy over to the Training Room. My sincere apologies and we do anticipate this being resolved at some point tomorrow. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Ok.... I'm waiting for an explanation right here why the EU test can't get access to any of this!
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Also, please note that there is no longer an EU Training Room, nor is there an NA Training Room...there is only Training Room.
...and Zuul.
Thanks!
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Andy Belford
Community Manager
Paragon Studios
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Actually, the one thing I dislike (aside from the above) is that there doesn't seem to be an option to recolor the avatar's hair beneath one of the new Steampunk hats.|
Originally Posted by Angelxman81
There is only 1 thing I dislike... We cant buy it yet!
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... But it was 1:00 AM and I was dozing off pretty hard while making a steampunk leprechaun on Test last night, so there may have been such an option that just wasn't apparent...
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
There is only Training Room.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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Actually, the increase of CONSOLE videogame prices was at the 16bits -> 32bits change, mostly because the price were the same, but the cost of a CD (a layer of aluminium over a disc of plastic) was vastly lower than the cost of a cartridge (a bunch of circuits, transistors and -sometimes- flash memories).
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Originally Posted by wjd
I was planning on making a post just like this until I read it. One thing to clarify though. Video game prices are almost all higher than they were 10 years ago. I don't know if they increased from the PS generation to the PS2 generation because I was quite young at the time, but as for the change from the PS2 to the PS3 generation, most games cost more now. Portable games cost $35 or higher now (unless the game in question totally sucks) as opposed to $30 like they were in the day of the game boy advance. PS3 and Xbox 360 games cost $60. Wii games still cost $50 like games did in the previous generation, but there are far fewer Wii games than PS3 and 360 ones. Not to mention that the Wii's technology isn't all that much better than the previous generation's, so it most likely costs about the same to make a Wii game........Anyways, to get to the topic at hand, the pack sounds awesome and I can already think of a few characters that could use parts from it. I agree that alternate animations for the /traps and /devices sets would be great. Maybe if we players mention it enough it will happen (hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge). I also love the travel power, finally I have a way to justify why my "natural" character is somehow able to travel in ways that aren't possible for normal humans.
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Are you the gate keeper?
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
There's a known issue at the moment with allowing EU Characters to copy over to the Training Room. My sincere apologies and we do anticipate this being resolved at some point tomorrow.
Also, please note that there is no longer an EU Training Room, nor is there an NA Training Room...there is only Training Room. ...and Zuul. Thanks! - Z |
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Don't know if anyone said this but, cool now we can look somewhat like nemesis! We can now be a full sized plot with the steam look!
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I'll be buying this pack as soon as it's available. Nicely done! And this trailer was awesome. Just the right mix of steampunk atmosphere, humor, and teaser. I just about lost it when I saw "The Latest In Pantaloons Swapping Technology"!
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so I love this pack my only real complaint about it is well really 2 :P
1) alot of the goggles that came with the science pack and GR cut in to the brim of the steam punk top hats
2) no sleavless options on the preatorian coats
other then that I love it and I want it sooooo much
I just logged onto Zule and I think I'm stuck in an apocalyptic landscape. And I mean me... not my character. Help!
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Well i 'toyed' around with the peices a bit, and found that some of the 'Resistance' pieces from GR work well with the Steampunk bits (the Goggles for instance) Would love to buy this on the 1st when it comes out but with money tight as it is right now, i may have to wait a while.
Don't forget to share your creations with this new Pack! Players have already been creating and sharing pictures of their characters sporting the new goods!
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=261032
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Anyway, awesome trailer for an awesome pack. First day purchase.
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