How about improving the mood of them that lost their globals?
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Posted on: 2011-05-16 05:59 in Suggestions and Ideas
I don't have any problem with your badge suggestion, but I find it odd that you feel an apology is just empty words unless it is followed by an action.
(Sometimes, I wish there could be a Dev thumbs up button for quality posts, because you pretty much nailed it.) -- Ghost Falcon
/signed!
Not because I'd get the badge, because I wouldn't. But because it would upset all those badgers who didn't lose their global name!
Let's be evil!
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Originally Posted by mousedroid
I don't have any problem with your badge suggestion, but I find it odd that you feel an apology is just empty words unless it is followed by an action.
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An apology does not need an action to be an apology.
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I'd rather they checked to see just how many accounts that kept global names were actually inactive, because I'm pretty damn sure the one that 'won' over mine was.
Then I might be able to get my proper handle back, and lose the gunge colour -_-
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I'm not trying to offend anyone here, so please forgive my query:
Am I the only one that thinks it's silly and overly self-indulgent to bemoan the loss (or alteration, or "mangling") of one's global name?
What's the big deal? It's a name. It's changeable.
I can't figure this out. If I suddenly lost either of my globals -especially when such a loss came hand-in-hand with a substantial increase in game accessibility like a ton more servers I could access- I'd pause for about a second and then enjoy the gift I was given. Seems to me that there are many many more relevant things to complain about in this game.
Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
@vanda1 and @nakoa2
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Your global name is who you ARE. If you're even relatively well known/liked in the game, and someone changed your name, you'd be nobody. A new face, until people eventually realized "you" were "you".|
Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
I'm not trying to offend anyone here, so please forgive my query:
Am I the only one that thinks it's silly and overly self-indulgent to bemoan the loss (or alteration, or "mangling") of one's global name? What's the big deal? It's a name. It's changeable. I can't figure this out. If I suddenly lost either of my globals -especially when such a loss came hand-in-hand with a substantial increase in game accessibility like a ton more servers I could access- I'd pause for about a second and then enjoy the gift I was given. Seems to me that there are many many more relevant things to complain about in this game. |
It's kind of like getting drastic cosmetic surgery forced on you in real life. Nobody would recognize you any more.
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Really!? Aren't we just blowing it a little out of proportion? My main global is @vanda1. Take it away and I become @NA_vanda1 or @vandaI or @vandal1 or @Nakoa1, am I a different person suddenly? How long is it going to take the people that know me to figure out that my name has slightly changed?|
Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Your global name is who you ARE. If you're even relatively well known/liked in the game, and someone changed your name, you'd be nobody. A new face, until people eventually realized "you" were "you".
It's kind of like getting drastic cosmetic surgery forced on you in real life. Nobody would recognize you any more. |
So, now people who have lost their globals, are "nobodies"? That's a pretty horrible thing to say. I am going to proceed under the assumption that all those people are still the wonderful people they were before their name changed. You can go on and think of them as less than they were before, I will not.
Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
@vanda1 and @nakoa2
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So if I spilled my coffee on your shirt and said "I'm sorry" that's not good enough? I have to go and buy you a bagel for you to know I really meant that I was sorry?|
Originally Posted by Black_Light
Almost anything would do, but to get something that show us that the developers and red names actually cared, and I do not mean words like "We are so sorry", which are empty unless followed some kind of action.
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Now I get it, sometimes reading some of the rednames posts, it can seem like 'soulless corporate drivel that they say just to say that they said it' BS. But considering that they have to make a blanket apology to more that just a few people, it's not like they can sit down and write a letter to everyone affected and explain in 500+ words how sorry they truly are on a deep and personal level.
And in fact they did give you something. A global rename! So your global could have been Capt Manny, and it got changed to EU_Capt Manny. Would you have preferred to stay EU_Capt Manny, or be able to change it to something a little more personal? And obviously "No, I'd have preferred to stay Capt Manny in the first place" is obviously not an option.
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Originally Posted by Stone Daemon
Your global name is who you ARE. If you're even relatively well known/liked in the game, and someone changed your name, you'd be nobody. A new face, until people eventually realized "you" were "you".
It's kind of like getting drastic cosmetic surgery forced on you in real life. Nobody would recognize you any more. |
Re loosing globals overall, and not in response to any one person/post
Does it suck for some people that it happened? Absolutely, and I understand why. For some, it's part of your identity. It's something you could of had for years, that not only defined you, but could also be something that had meaning to you outside of the game as well. I had a friend years ago that nicknamed me Chavarko. I still use that name and remember that friend fondly even though I haven't seen or spoken to him in years. Were that my Global, and I lost it, sure I'd be upset for a bit. But then I remember, it's a game. Things happen. Emails disappear, costumes get changed when they rename the pieces, and things get bugged.
It's really not -that- bad.
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Yeah I was pretty sure I saw Avatea say that they were giving those out only to the people affected by the automatic name change. So what we have here is not a case of the devs and rednames being callous and not showing they care like the OP is implying.
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Originally Posted by Maniac_Raid
And in fact they did give you something. A global rename! So your global could have been Capt Manny, and it got changed to EU_Capt Manny. Would you have preferred to stay EU_Capt Manny, or be able to change it to something a little more personal? And obviously "No, I'd have preferred to stay Capt Manny in the first place" is obviously not an option.
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Arguments over "enough' or "not enough" aside, this would make the badgers go bat-guano insane. (Just bring up "Bug hunter" for another example.) |
Originally Posted by Black_Light
Give us something, the unique badge "Name dropper" for example.
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Part of me wants to say /signed just for the entertainment value, admittedly...
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Part of me wants to say /signed just for the entertainment value, admittedly...
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The City of Heroes Community is a special one and I will always look fondly on my times arguing, discussing and playing with you all. Thanks and thanks to the developers for a special experience.
We could all chip in some inf. ourselves and get them something...
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Originally Posted by BrandX
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Not because I'd get the badge, because I wouldn't. But because it would upset all those badgers who didn't lose their global name! Let's be evil! |
In all seriousness (well, as much seriousness as I can muster), I do understand people's issues with this and I do not like that they automatically lost them to inactive accounts. I think that sucks and there's nuffink that can be said to change my mind about that.
And this is a bit different than accidentally spilling coffee on someone, hehe.
They intentionally made some changes that removed aspects of their online gaming that they'd had for several years.
No... not a big deal in the grand scope of things... But an affront within the scope of this being a video game and fun happy pastime stuff.
I wish that badgers and such didn't lord over such options as to give out such gifts for odd circumstances as this.
THAT seems so silly to me.
Not that a badge actually makes up for anything... it's just the gesture that counts.
Still... maybe some time can be spent on sorting through the inactive accounts and some names can be freed up in the future as we move along.
Until then... I shall change my global name in honor of our EU brethren.
Suggestions are welcome!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Yes it is different than spilling coffee. That point was made to reflect the comment made about apologizes being 'empty words' when there's no action taken beyond. It wasn't meant to be a direct comparison saying it's apples to apples.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
And this is a bit different than accidentally spilling coffee on someone, hehe.
They intentionally made some changes that removed aspects of their online gaming that they'd had for several years. No... not a big deal in the grand scope of things... But an affront within the scope of this being a video game and fun happy pastime stuff. |
When you say 'intentionally made some changes' that makes it sound like you're saying they wanted to make people loose their global names. Obviously that wasn't their goal. Their goal was to give the players something that many have been asking for years to happen, which was to merge the server lists. The lose of global names was a side effect of that. And not everyone who lost their global name had that name for several years.
I can't stress enough that yes, it sucks for those that lost their global name, even more so for those that lost them to inactive accounts. I get that, I truly do, and so do the devs I'm sure. But there's only so much that they can do.
Agreed and understood, Maniac Raid!
And, just to clarify, the reason I used the word "intentionally" is because it is true and is the prime difference. I know that aspect was not the focus of what they were doing and was an unfortunate side-effect. More work could have put in to avoid that, but it was not feasible (and I understand and respect that, but it still makes it an intentional choice).
Yes, there were benefits (for some). To be fair, not everyone who had their names changed wants those benefits, nor even sees them as benefits.
Regardless, I absolutely wanted to see the two versions combined and think that, overall, it is worth the costs.
And, as I said, I just hope maybe some of the inactive account stuff can be sorted out, because some people are not going to come back and it'd be nice to find a way to take care of the existing customers over the ones who aren't paying any more.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
As much as I appreciate the thought behind the OP, no shiny reward will really make this pill less bitter to swallow. I would far rather be treated as an equal customer and have my loyalty valued regardless of what region I am in. Unfortunately, this is not the first time EU players have been treated as second class subscribers and I'm absolutely certain it will not be the last.
Thanks for the solidarity though.
@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
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I'm not sure if you're deliberately misreading what I write to create drama here or not, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming it was unintentional. Ok, I get it. You don't care if your name is changed. I've changed mine in the past, myself. However, I like to consider how others might feel. Not everyone feels exactly like you do. Hard to imagine, I know.|
Originally Posted by PuceNonagon
Really!? Aren't we just blowing it a little out of proportion? My main global is @vanda1. Take it away and I become @NA_vanda1 or @vandaI or @vandal1 or @Nakoa1, am I a different person suddenly? How long is it going to take the people that know me to figure out that my name has slightly changed?
So, now people who have lost their globals, are "nobodies"? That's a pretty horrible thing to say. I am going to proceed under the assumption that all those people are still the wonderful people they were before their name changed. You can go on and think of them as less than they were before, I will not. |
Sure, your global friends could figure out who you are (assuming their list is small enough, or that they'll miss your name on their list right away), but the chat channels you frequent? You'll be a new face. And until everyone is aware that you're you, people will mistake you for a new person. This isn't something that is easily covered by saying one time "Oh, yeah, this is me, btw." Unless of course, you're on a channel of like 5 people, and they all happen to be on at that time.
This change doesn't affect me in the slightest. I feel bad for the people who are suddenly forced to change their identity, though.
Well explained, Stone Daemon.
And I was thinking (I'm sure some have already thought of this, but here goes) some of you who have had to change may want to make a chat bind for your global channels that includes something like "(formerly @oldname)" and keep that running for a month of two.
So, every time you type in there, it says "@newname (formerly @oldname) I love Electric-Knight. He is so spiffy!!".
That could go a long way to solving that side of things.
I'm not 100% positive on the correct commands for this...
A close approximation would be:
/bind DESIRED-KEY startchat "/send DESIRED-GLOBAL-CHANNEL-NAME (formerly @youroldglobalname) "
I'm not sure if the quotes need to be there... and I am not sure if it should be startchat or beginchat.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
It should be beginchat. And the quotes don't need to be there, but the space does after the closing parenthesis.
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For those that say an apology need not be followed by action to be an apology, it's true but only if I believe that you meant it. If you spill a cup of coffee on me, say "Sorry" turn your back and walk away I would not believe you, ergo it would be empty words. If you stayed, said "Sorry, can I get you some napkins or something" I probably would and I would accept it since we all know that accidents happen. Since my feelings toward NCSoft is currently a bit on the bad side, "We're really sorry, we feel for you" feels a lot more like "Sorry" and turn your back, than a true apology.
Given the above, and since we all think we're the centre of the universe I assume that there are more people that feel like me. Hence a little something that shows that they care would make it much more probable that I would believe that they meant the apology.
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Oh wow, your serious then...
Thing is, they did follow up on the apology (which in truth wasn't needed except from a PR standpoint) with the rename tokens. If they really weren't sorry and just 'turning backs' they would've tried to make you pay for the privilege of renaming.
For that matter, the entire thing could be looked at as an action after the slight. They announced the merge and the resulting feedback caused them to re-evaluate the method and ultimately change it accordingly.
If your still sore over the issue that's your choice, I'm still sore over the forum changes that happened in August and all we got was boilerplate marketspeak. At least you got an apology.
In conclusion;
Don't feel so entitled to special treatment and you'll find you get over things much easier. If your tired of the EU being singled out, why are you requesting it continue?
We are one now.
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Originally Posted by Dante
As much as I appreciate the thought behind the OP, no shiny reward will really make this pill less bitter to swallow. I would far rather be treated as an equal customer and have my loyalty valued regardless of what region I am in. Unfortunately, this is not the first time EU players have been treated as second class subscribers and I'm absolutely certain it will not be the last.
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They made it so the EU players can play with even more players.
Obviously someone was going to lose their global handle, since there was bound to be some copies between the servers, but I have to ask, how many EU players really lost their global handle?
After that the question becomes, what else could they do? Go through them individually and flip a coin, after they make sure it's an active or inactive account?
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There were plenty of far more equitable suggestions made in the discussion thread. But as they all required a little more work than just renaming almost the entire EU server cluster. No, it was far easier to just marginalise the EU playerbase again. It's a bit of a recurring theme over here.
@Dante EU - Union Roleplayer and Altisis Victim
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And this is exactly what they did do. They apologised and gave everyone affected by the automatic renaming a "napkin" by means of a global rename token which those players can use to repair what was done to their global names. They can use the token to get as close to the original name as possible. Not satisfying but not as drastic a change that their friends won't recognize their names anymore. Or they can use the global rename token to start fresh with a completely new name.|
Originally Posted by Black_Light
For those that say an apology need not be followed by action to be an apology, it's true but only if I believe that you meant it. If you spill a cup of coffee on me, say "Sorry" turn your back and walk away I would not believe you, ergo it would be empty words. If you stayed, said "Sorry, can I get you some napkins or something" I probably would and I would accept it since we all know that accidents happen.
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No not everyone on the EU servers got a token because not everyone was entitled to one. Only the people that actually got renamed got it.
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Since my feelings toward NCSoft is currently a bit on the bad side, "We're really sorry, we feel for you" feels a lot more like "Sorry" and turn your back, than a true apology. Given the above, and since we all think we're the centre of the universe I assume that there are more people that feel like me. Hence a little something that shows that they care would make it much more probable that I would believe that they meant the apology. |
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
We are one now.
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We are the NA servers. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.
Give us something, the unique badge "Name dropper" for example. That would improve the mood for those of us that lost our global. Almost anything would do, but to get something that show us that the developers and red names actually cared, and I do not mean words like "We are so sorry", which are empty unless followed some kind of action.
Other suggestions would be a pretty temp power, a GM access token (usable once) for when you do a petition, an in game coloured title, an exclusive event.
I do not think anything will come of this, but it would be nice to be able to think back at this thing with any emotion but sadness.
@BL (previously @Black Light)
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White Knight, Illusion/Radiation Controller at Union
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