Doctor Who 14th May - The Doctor's Wife
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Posted on: 2011-05-14 11:45 in Comic and Hero-Villain Culture
Truely Gaiman, truely awesome. Fun episode rich with Who fan tidbits. Loved it. Must rewatch.
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I for one, really liked this episode. I pretty much had a smile from ear to ear for most the episode.
I laughed out loud when they manged to stick in another Rory death. At this point, Rory has to become immortal at some point, lol.
I have to say, to hear the TARDIS tell the Doctor it chose him seemed rather perfect. Matt Smith really owned the role this episode.
For a stand alone episode, this one really rocked it.
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I will admit that I am not familiar with some of the references. The episode to me was specifically Harlan Ellisons' I have no mouth' short story. People trapped in a [anoptic universe with a cruel god playing with their minds for eternity.
This was an eipsode with some depth and meat.
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Thoroughly an excellent episode. It had it all. It was fun, haunting, and was a canonical milestone. Think I might buy a copy of it for my phone.
The patchwork people were classic Gaiman and I hope he returns to pen another. Finally, kudos to the casting and characterization of the tardis.
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It was a really good episode except for one thing:
Auntie and Uncle basically saying: "We're not needed for the plot anymore, so, to avoid the hassle of you having to imprison us for our crime or to save us from our plight, we'll up and die riiiight... now!" <plop>
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Guys, I know the TARDIS has has always been alive (it's been hinted at since even the Hartnell era) but there's a difference between being alive, or even conscious and being an individual.
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Without House keeping them alive they um... stopped living.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
It was a really good episode except for one thing:
Auntie and Uncle basically saying: "We're not needed for the plot anymore, so, to avoid the hassle of you having to imprison us for our crime or to save us from our plight, we'll up and die riiiight... now!" <plop> |
They were basically puppets on a string that couldn't support themselves once their master had left.
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I always thought of the TARDIS having a consciousness that is so far beyond our understanding that there is no possible hope for us to understand it. She decided to kidnap the Doctor to explore the universe. She decides where the Doctor needs to go which explains why the Doctor is always at the right place and right time. The TARDIS is more alive than the automatons that live on the Earth whose entire life consists of getting up, work, go to bar, come home, watch TV, then sleep or some other routine where all thought has been destroyed.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Guys, I know the TARDIS has has always been alive (it's been hinted at since even the Hartnell era) but there's a difference between being alive, or even conscious and being an individual.
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I did find the episode to be the most depressing one to date though. Somehow it brought home the death of the time lords and The Doctor being alone in the universe more than any of the previous episodes have done.
And yet it leaves an opening for the return of time lords. We have a planet that completely devoid of life. Yet it contains a metric buttload of rift energy, multiple time lord body parts, and multiple tardis parts. And it's outside the universe which means that it's universal laws are not necessarily the same as in our universe. Those time lords just might end up regenerating like The Doctor's hand did.
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Also a little tidbit: it is now canon that Time Lords can change gender as part of regeneration.
I'll have to purchase the episode off itunes. That riddle the TARDIS told Rory towards the end about 'Finding the water at the River in the Forest', River = River Song, Forest = that library where she physically died, and is currently living in its Matrix. Meaning, we will see post-corporal River again. I also have a few theories about the House and the Timelords.
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Unless he was joking. I mean, he's also said he could have two heads, or no heads, change species even. For such an unpredictable procedure Time Lords sure do seems to roll human (and the Doctor white (British) male) a statistically improbable amount of times.|
Originally Posted by That_Ninja
Also a little tidbit: it is now canon that Time Lords can change gender as part of regeneration.
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Plus, I still don't believe him when he says he's 909.
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I'm actually convinced that this'll be a plot point later on this season, since Rory and Amy's reasoning in not telling the Doctor about his future is that they saw him die when he was 200 or so years older than he is "now." But as River has pointed out... the Doctor lies. |
Originally Posted by Zikar
Plus, I still don't believe him when he says he's 909.
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Yeah, I think the Doctor's been fibbing about his age.
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Well, the 6th Doctor has said that he was 900 years old too... and that was probably a few hundred years ago.|
Originally Posted by Hazmatter
I'm actually convinced that this'll be a plot point later on this season, since Rory and Amy's reasoning in not telling the Doctor about his future is that they saw him die when he was 200 or so years older than he is "now." But as River has pointed out... the Doctor lies.
Yeah, I think the Doctor's been fibbing about his age. |
I expect the Doctor is actually over 1000.
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Though i didnt find it depressing since the timelords have all be dead since i have been watching the new shows. However that was kinda a neat little bit when Amy tells the Doctor he wants forgiveness. To be fair i think that is the first time the new doctor has even touched on that thread since maybe the ending of The Beast below from last season.
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Originally Posted by Mandu
I did find the episode to be the most depressing one to date though. Somehow it brought home the death of the time lords and The Doctor being alone in the universe more than any of the previous episodes have done.
And yet it leaves an opening for the return of time lords. We have a planet that completely devoid of life. Yet it contains a metric buttload of rift energy, multiple time lord body parts, and multiple tardis parts. And it's outside the universe which means that it's universal laws are not necessarily the same as in our universe. Those time lords just might end up regenerating like The Doctor's hand did. |
My one major problem with the episode is that when they were going to an "old" console room, I was expecting/hoping for one of the OLD console rooms.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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Weren't the corridors reminiscent of an older console room?
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
My one major problem with the episode is that when they were going to an "old" console room, I was expecting/hoping for one of the OLD console rooms.
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I thought about this myself. On one hand i think it would have been cool to see say Baker's console room. But from a budget standpoint it was probably alot easier and cheaper to rebuild Tennants since it was most recently used even if it was set afire. Then to rebuild one long since gone.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
My one major problem with the episode is that when they were going to an "old" console room, I was expecting/hoping for one of the OLD console rooms.
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After further thought i also wondered how well that would go over. And I thought of Star Trek. Like remember when those episodes would come out where they would use the old style sets from the 60s? Im thinking that tribbles DS9 Episode or that Scotty episode on TNG. Those sets though consistant with the sets used in the 60s looks really bad now. I mean those sets looked really bad just comparing them to say the consoles in the 60s space capsules really. So as an after thought I really am glad they didnt and stuck to the idea of even in time travel they stuck to the commonality of todays values of production design.
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my view as well with regards to the first point, I doubt the TARDIS sets from the original run aren't around any more, or if they are, they are either in bad condition or on display somewhere, so they would've needed to rebuild them, and using the earlier set from this series was in order to keep production values down.
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Originally Posted by QuiJon
I thought about this myself. On one hand i think it would have been cool to see say Baker's console room. But from a budget standpoint it was probably alot easier and cheaper to rebuild Tennants since it was most recently used even if it was set afire. Then to rebuild one long since gone.
After further thought i also wondered how well that would go over. And I thought of Star Trek. Like remember when those episodes would come out where they would use the old style sets from the 60s? Im thinking that tribbles DS9 Episode or that Scotty episode on TNG. Those sets though consistant with the sets used in the 60s looks really bad now. I mean those sets looked really bad just comparing them to say the consoles in the 60s space capsules really. So as an after thought I really am glad they didnt and stuck to the idea of even in time travel they stuck to the commonality of todays values of production design. |
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Lets be honest here, I'd say the Doctor is more than 900 odd years old, him saying otherwise is a bit like the rest off us shaving a few years off are actual age.
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Originally Posted by Zikar
Well, the 6th Doctor has said that he was 900 years old too... and that was probably a few hundred years ago.
I expect the Doctor is actually over 1000. |
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I'm guessing that Rory being in one sense 2000+ old, is going to have some impact at some point, its funny in a way, he's older than the Doctor
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Originally Posted by Desmodos
I for one, really liked this episode. I pretty much had a smile from ear to ear for most the episode.
I laughed out loud when they manged to stick in another Rory death. At this point, Rory has to become immortal at some point, lol. I have to say, to hear the TARDIS tell the Doctor it chose him seemed rather perfect. Matt Smith really owned the role this episode. For a stand alone episode, this one really rocked it. |
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I liked that bit as well. |
Originally Posted by QuiJon
Though i didnt find it depressing since the timelords have all be dead since i have been watching the new shows. However that was kinda a neat little bit when Amy tells the Doctor he wants forgiveness. To be fair i think that is the first time the new doctor has even touched on that thread since maybe the ending of The Beast below from last season.
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"Amy" said in the behind the scenes show that they have to walk past the tennant set to get to the smith set and had been wondering why it was still there. Apparently the two set's are right next to each other. Whereas the older set's are in exhibits and or storage.
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Originally Posted by Wooden_Replica
my view as well with regards to the first point, I doubt the TARDIS sets from the original run aren't around any more, or if they are, they are either in bad condition or on display somewhere, so they would've needed to rebuild them, and using the earlier set from this series was in order to keep production values down.
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Now here's a little tidbit I found recently...
The hastily constructed TARDIS console that the Doctor throws together from scrap was actually the result of a competition to allow kids to design their own TARDIS. The BBC childrens' program Blue Peter ran the competition last year and the results can be seen in this episode. For the full report, see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=gLF-6TkZL2Y
Personally I think it's a double victory getting to design a TARDIS and getting it into the Neil Gaiman episode. 
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Yeah, but it was designed by a kid. He's probably just laughing because his name sound like GAYman. |
Originally Posted by Dante
Personally I think it's a double victory getting to design a TARDIS and getting it into the Neil Gaiman episode.
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Very, very fun ep. Here's hoping they can rope NG into writing another one, or maybe one each season even (not likely I know, but!).