Illusion on Dominator = Overpowered?

To careen a little more off topic, I think Dark would be somewhat tameable if it looked like this:

1) Twilight Grasp
2) Tar Patch
4) Darkest Night
10) Howling Twilight
16) Shadow Fall
20) Cloak of Fear (12ft radius to match Defender/Corruptor APP Oppressive Gloom)
28) Petrifying Gaze
35) Black Hole
38) Dark Servant (using Mastermind recharge times of 500 seconds instead of Defender/Corruptor 240 seconds)

I think this would create an interesting brand of Controller, since Cloak of Fear sort of stacks with the Mind and Illusion Fear powers while requiring you to take some risks, and Fire, Ice, and Electric have a small synergy with their needing to be up close a lot.

They don't have it cause the Dev's know I'd make 4-6 of them with various secondaries only to discover that theme wise, I WANT to put them with a Dark assualt and or a Pistol assualt set.

Then I would bug the hell out of them for those. hehe

Which granted... Dark would be awesome.... and Pistols would underperform but look sassy doing it.

Cheers all!

PS: Illusion qualifies in my brain as the 2nd most thematically and THE most Classically Evil of powersets in the game. It should have been avaible to Dominators from day one of red side's launch and damn whatever issues arrose from it.

Regarding the 'every AT should have a unique set' argument, that ship already sailed quite a while ago. Discounting set types which are by nature unique since no other AT shares that category (i.e. dom assault, blaster manipulation, and MM summoning), blasters, defenders, scrappers, brutes, doms, and corrs all aready have no unique sets left.

Even if we count the unique set categories (giving blasters and doms back their 'unique' status), defenders, scrappers, brutes, and corrs all have no unique sets. Given that recently every new powerset added to the game has been given to all applicable ATs (with the sole exception of /shield for stalkers), does anyone seriously expect the devs to create *4* new powersets and then give each of them to only *one* AT just so that everyone can be 'unique'?

The only unique powersets left are illusion control, ice armor/melee, ninjitsu, and poison. None of them have any overriding reason why they can't be proliferated to at least one other AT. Given the precedent of the aggro auras in shield, willpower, and invul, aggro control isn't a reason to deny scrappers ice armor. Given the precedent of the mezzes and KD in dark armor and stone melee, fury issues aren't a reason to deny ice/ice to brutes. Given the precedents of the multitude of control pseudopets in sets such as earth, ice, and elec and the ability of high recharge fire/ and mind/ doms to perma-mez PToD EB/AVs, domination issues and potential perma-PA EB/AV mitigation aren't a reason to deny illusion to doms. And given the precedent of the stealth and mezzes in dark armor and the gadgets in weapon mastery, there's no reason to deny ninjitsu to scrappers.

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Originally Posted by Seldom *shrugs* all I know is this: every attack power defenders have either reduces incoming damage, or messes up enemies.

Archery attacks carry no debuff, and the set only has mitigative effects on two powers (stunning shot and the KB in explosive arrow). Flamethrower and full auto from AR also have no mitigative effect. *Most* defender attacks carry some such effect, to be sure, but not all. Personally I see no problem with giving defenders /fire, and in fact am looking forward to it quite a bit.

Well, I think some sets are not ported because it could be too powerful. I doubt it's because it's "too weak" because they can always make it "better". It is harder to nerf something when you port a set than to make it better/different. They did change Dual Blade and Kinetic Melee for Stalker (whether it's a nerf is up to debate).

I thought Illusion on Dominator could be too powerful but Illusion Radiation can do a lot of things that Dominator can't.

Ugh, I want Poison set on corruptor so bad.

i think PA would be OP on a dom i think it will use doms damage scale of 1.05% i think PA would do crazy damage on a dom or not :P

As a pet PA would use it's own tables for it's damage.

And the argument the Illlusion doesn't benefit from Dom feels weak to me considering half of Elec doesn't benefit from it already.

It is also worth mentioning (and it may have already come up), is that the reason PA does crazy damage for some controllers (it certainly doesn't for ill/ff heh) is because of their debuffs.

My ill/cold rips through things because the huge amount of -res alters the amount of damage to illusionary damage that actually sticks on a target. Like everything in this game the ability to forcemultiply starts to really show how potent it is at a certain point.

I know when I originally championed for ill to be ported to doms the only -res they had was a st poison ray. I was actually surprised they gave doms sleet and even more surprised how unnerfed the version of it is.

That isn't to say that sleet makes PA overpowered, but you'd be wise to pair the two together if doms ever did get Illusion.

Responding generally:

1. I doubt Positron ever said proliferation was done. If he did, I suspect he was drunk at the time.

2. I doubt proliferation sells the game or made a significant impact to the sales of any expansion. Its a nice to have, and its one component among many that obviously influences sales by some amount, but I doubt its specific benefit would be measurable.

3. I don't think its ever the case that a powerset is "too powerful for proliferation." Presume that *every* powerset is reviewed to ensure it is appropriate for the archetype it is being ported to. So no powerset is too powerful, because every set can be tweaked to not be too powerful. By the same token, however, no powerset is automatically immune from being reviewed and possibly tweaked. Some sets are ported without significant tweaking, or any tweaking. But no set is ported on the assumption that its fine as is and doesn't need tweaking. In fact, at the beginning of time most of the Blaster Manipulation power group was created by proliferation: proliferating the melee powersets into manipulation powersets, sometimes with radical alterations.

4. Some sets would require so much change, or alternatively the devs want to make sufficient changes to support proliferation, that instead they look to make analogs rather than proliferation. Empathy and Pain, for example. When that happens, few things are absolutely certain but don't hold your breath waiting for the analog set to be proliferated.

That's not a quote, that's a dude saying another dude said something.