Why not just more levels ?

You seem to think that raising the lvl cap will be a quick, end-all-be-all fix to the game, and that rainbows will shine out of everyone's orifice once that happens. In all reality, they will need to spend many many months (more time than they have on Incarnates) in order to implement this, with 10 lvl's worth of xp, enemies, content, lore, badges, zones, indoor maps, outdoor maps, enhancements, costumes, pvp, and anything else you can think of just to keep most people happy. And you can lolpvp all you want, the fact of the matter is that there is an actual pvp playerbase in this game, several of them I met and played with in my badger's run for the 400 rep badge (yes, I did it the non-afk way). And after a few months, all the lvls/badges/content would have already been run by at least everyone's main toon, leaving everyone griping for more. With the Incarnate system, they are able to dole it out piece by piece, with even more to come that goes beyond what's already been announced. And while we may not get to the actual level of 60 (with only a few giving shifts, and 2/3 of that so far only being usable incarnate-wise), we still get a large amount of extremely useful attacks, buffs, debuffs, etc, that make us far more powerful than a non-incarnate.

/Agreed That defines it in a nutshell. Okay so the Devs up the level to 60. Spend months, probably more than a year developing new powers for every powerset of every AT, or more optional powers for the EPICS. Hey if we get 10 more levels we have to get some sort of benefits from them and since the incarnate powers we have are already tied to a system in game.,... we'd need something new. We will need SO that go to 60 level now and since a 50 level SO is still just about the same as a 40 level IO .. I think we can assume that a 60 level SO would = a 50 IO. NOW we need 60 level IOs so players can feel the added power. Once again why are we adding levels if we don;t get any benefit except more levels.. they's need to up the power limits ... and this is already possible. My tier 4 alpha currently allow some of my powers to attain 130% which definately exceeds the normal cap.

So the Devs spend 18 hour days slaving away to give us everything 60 level would require and what happens next? Just like Father X said. EVERYONE scrambles like mad for a month and has all their 50 levels to level 60 and then.. "Why can't we raise the limit to 70?"

The incarnate system need more content I don;t think anyone would disagree with that and we know its coming but its a perfectly fine system that actually has players using their 50 levels for something besides mindless INF machines to fund their lower level toons and host SG Costume Contests! Is it perfect yet? No Is anything perfect? No so enjoy what we have and what's coming up. The Devs have no intention of upping levels and frabkly if they ever do I want credit for the 100 million critters I have killed since hitting 50 and staring at that darn progress bar that shows I need 1 more point of XP to mkae 51.. Oh wait I am already 53 when I am in a trial anyway LOL

Control the rate at which people can earn xp, use new xp for the new levels, put in a quest for each new level that needs to be completed.

Just about anything that would have kept the old exemplar and ability scaling system in place.

The new system managed to be the worst of all possible outcomes. It destroys what was the best content in the game. It so far has brought no new content of comparable quality.

Adding an option to disable incarnate bonuses would be literally the same thing as exemping down to 50 before the "51-60" of incarnate bonuses.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Mostly.

The new incarnate powers are really overwhelming to the old content. Alpha is pretty liveable, but interface,destiny, and judgement are all sledgehammers smashing the older stuff. I'd like to say scale them back but most of them don't look like they would scale well. If you kept the old system of adding slots and powers you keep a situation where higher levels are more effective and clearly more effective but their abilities are scaled not to completely trivialize the content.

There are difficulties with doing this. You have to create new powers for at the very least the epics, and most likely tier 10 and 11 powers in the existing power sets. This is undoubtedly a large amount of work. The question is, "Is it a good thing to preserve the individuality of the ATs and powersets ?".

No not neceassarily. I have done ITFs recently with my 50 (+3) incarnates and still had a good challenge. First of all outside the trials use only get that 1 level shift so it's not like everything is green blue or grey now. And then there is always the option to UP the difficulty. I did an ITF with nothing but 54 levels and we had a blast. Of course you can't get every team leader to do that but form your own team and you can do what you like. A 54 level Cimeroran Traitor is just as hard to bring down as a 54 level 9CU. And even with the added powers from judgement, interface, lore and destiny we still had some team mates visit the hospital and a number of us visited the combat nurse between missions to resupply inspirations. The game can be as easy or as challenging as you chose to make it.. just move that little scrolling bar that has DIFF etched in it.

I have 50 bucks I go to a dojo take a lesson. This is your T.O. enhance.

I have 50 incarnate dollars. I buy incarnate parts. I take the incarnate parts and build incarnate weaponry.

It makes no more or less sense than any other argument raised in this thread to say that you can trade your ability to get training but you cant trade things you craft.

Its a purely arbitrary mechanic.

Truth be told, the new enemies are already kind of weak.

Edit: realized that was too short to properly convey the intent. Once you start getting teams with majority rare or better incarnate abilities the new enemies really aren't that bad. The biggest problem with them are the side mechanics designed to destroy particular powersets.

Hate is a strong word. I love the BAF and LAMB. Being 53 rocks my socks. The rewards justifies the repetitivenes, but than again, I am no stranger to repetitive content.

The cut scene is mildly annoying

I cant wait 30 mins, so I do other stuff.

Super speed and a stealth IO go a long way to avoiding mobs that you want to avoid.

Its not a theory. I can't count the times the devs have released something that the playerbase hasnt used as designed. This cant be a shock to anyone.

It would help if it would pull you out of an instance if desired. That way I could run mish's or update base, whatever while waiting. Waiting is not fun.

My thoughts exactly. It's not a complicated concept. It'd be about like asking to transfer xp between characters when you think about it.

Have you ever read the names of natural SO enhancements?

Also some science ones, i think some of them are supposed to be radiation exposure and stuff. Doesn't really make sense you can trade that around.

However, the original idea still stands. iPowers shouldn't be tradable.

Think of them as training vouchers. Or authorization for procedures in the labs in the case of the science ones.

Don't try and apply logic to enhancements, or else you'll be caught up explaining why I'm gluing half a dozen grenades to my sword, or why natural SOs are basically the same thing as TOs except other people can't use them.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Makes sense to me. Yanno, except not signed "Generic Hero", but the actual hero name. You telling me you don't know anyone that's pulled strings to get a friend a favor?

. . . authorization to irradiate my WHAT!??!

What do you think an XRay is? There's a reason the doctors stand behind a lead barrier.