Why not just more levels ?

PvP is a joke yes but it's a valid point. Dev time is not interchangeable; you can't just copypaste the AE devs to work on something else without stopping to train them first. And if they have the time to make tons of new arcs for 51-60, why can't they just make arcs for us now? And the 41-50 stuff was planned from the start, they just didn't have the time and resources the launch with it (and there are still remnants of this from the past, like Titan enhancements). Tons of systems have been added since then that work with 50 as the cap, that would have to be reworked.

What you're suggesting is that they devote an absurd amount of time and resource to making the game work at level 60 for absolutely no payoff. Upping the level cap now with no rhyme, reason, or planning would be a massive waste of everything. There isn't anything that increasing the level cap would do for us that we can't already achieve, but it comes with the downside of requiring a gigantic amount of extra effort.

If the only reason you want to increase the level cap is because other MMOs do it, then I refer you to the nearest bridge.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Oh I agree with you. Not so much on the AE since that actually was them responding to something at least enough players asked for here on the forums that they found a way to make it happen (and now spend an ungodly amount of time and effort trying to keep people from using to farm and PL). But I have said for years they need to fix what's broken before adding more stuff. The trouble is a message saying "we don't plan to introduce any new content for about a year while we correct all the problems and bugs we have now" doesn't excite the player base and make them want to stay. What we see now is a good many older players that allow their accounts to go inactive until a new release and then they re-up and frantically speed through all the new stuff until it bores them and then .. they leave again.

I know exactly what you mean with the final mission of LGFT I get that too

Not sure about Seer Marino its been quite a while since I ran her arc.

I just discussed this elsewhere... I still have times when I zone and my Mastermind's pets wind up stuck at the door. and I am sorry /releasepets is not a fix its a stop gap measure instead of solvinf the problem.

Here's a new one we reported just last night. Joined a league in the RWZ and the leader invited a player than had just left AE. Somehow all at once an entire team showed up in our league and as it turned out they were a team inside the AE building preparing to go in and do a Ma MISSION. The leader had to kick each member individually to get rid of them. ??? wonder how long it will take to track down what caused that and actually fix it. LOL

One I still can't understand is why they can't find a way to stop the problem with certain powers with knockback tossing an NPC into a wall. This is always fun on mission maps where its a kill all .. like the fist few missions of the Moonfire TF 9one of this weeks (WSTs). I have had that happen on that TF before and after waiting almost 20 minutes for a GM the entire team logged off and back on and repeated the mission so we could complete.... About 3/4 of the way through the second attempt the GM finally contacted us.

I could go on for days but your right .. they need to fix what's broken. One of my SG mates is in IT and he has even told me on numerous occasions that adding NEW content or programs while the bugs still exist in the old just compounds the problem and .. generates even more bugs!

The fact is thought they had already committed to the path they are on and supposedly the Anti-Matter trial goes into closed best testing this month. They are probably well into developing Issue 21 and may even be laying the ground work for issue 22. For years they have stuck to not adding more levels like THAT OTHER POPULAR MMO and I suppose we should be happy they at least finally gave our 50 levels something to do. The trials aren't bad actually and obviously they do plan to add more. I am getting sick of watching Mother Mayhem, Siege and Nightshade chat. LOL

Now there's some good news. I hadn't seen that comment before.
<comment removed - incarnate stuff above alpha only apply to incarnate trials & missions... answered my own question>

You seem to overlook the fact that all these IOs only go to lvl 50. Since the majority (I'm estimating here) of players use sets and set bonuses, at least for their mains, that would mean that they would have to at the very least create new lvl 50-60 IOs for each set that goes that far, otherwise create all new IOs for lvl 50-60. Which would mean that all of those lvl 50 IOs that everyone has spent billions of infl to create and slot would now become useless, and the 10 per respec that people would be able to strip down would sell for much much less than they do now. So basically, the many people who waited until lvl 50 to outfit their toons with lvl 50 purps, pvp IOs, and whatever else top-lvl IOs they have, would have to spend all that time and infl all over again in order to optimize their toons. They could lvl to 60 (which would last a month or two), and keep what they have, but it wouldn't even get out of beta without HUGE complaints if they didn't up the IOs.

One thing that you have to remember here is that they are planning on introducing new Incarnate Trials quite often, at least once per issue is what I've heard, and they even have 1 set to come out before i21 (we're on i20 now, right?) even comes out. The way I see it is that they meant for everyone to have a plethora of trials to choose from when they hit lvl 50, its just that there are so many who are already there, they are getting stuck in this "hurry up and wait" pattern. Look at all the people on here who post about their 12-50 lvl 50 toons who they don't think they'll ever "Incarnate." After a few months, they will see that their main toons have everything they can have and/or need, and that they have more than enough time to add another toon or two to that list of Incarnates. It's the exact same thing as getting to lvl 50. You focus on one or a few, and get them there, or you focus on a bunch, and only a couple ever reach that lvl. (Or for those with more time on their hands, you run them over and over and grind all week/month long until you have everything you want, and go back to alting/farming/trolling/badging/auction-house-manipulating, whatever you like to do to pass your time.)

Intended behaviour, last I heard, to invite full teams to a League.

My post was targeted at the original question of "Why not just more levels?" and therefore you need to take what I said in my reply about not really getting levels (Alpha slot aside.) Do you really have a level 53 character outside of the Trials? The answer is no, you have a level 51. The Devs are doing us a disservice of giving us content where you really are not gaining anything substantial. Where outside of a trial does you newly minted 53 come into play? Nowhere.

Rich the Substantial Guy

Ehh why ?

There isn't a 1-10 pvp zone. There is the arena already and lets face it Zone pvp has been a complete failure. Unless the devs have made a promise of providing a zone there is hardly any reason to say we have to have it.

Those don't age out.

The only people that will need to replace their enhances are people with SO only builds and that will cost them 20 million inf ? 30 million even if the devs triple the cost of the new level 60 sos. IOs can be left dropping at max level of 50 so that is a non issue. Hami Os are problematical, personally I think they should fix those and the enhances you get from the sewer trial and the eden trial so they don't age out. It would provide incentive for people to participate in those, instead of the giant idiotic disincentive the merit rewards for them are.

Where outside of a trial do you actually need your toon to be 50+3?

My point is that the incarnate system is a substitute for an increased lvl cap. I'm not saying that it's the same thing (new powers aren't the same as new lvls), but it's relatively the same idea. As to the lvl 53 content, that will be useful for when they introduce all the new trials that I mentioned (you can't expect to get everything at once, without a huge paid-for update). And for the extremely useful Incarnate powers, they can be used anytime you're not exemp'd.

My point here is that many of the players won't settle for an increase in lvl without an increase in IO cap. And the devs wouldn't really want to do that either, since it would pretty much leave everyone at their max already once they reached that lvl. So within a couple of months, everyone would already have finished all the new content.

In order to keep us interested after upping the lvl cap, they would have to keep doing so, or keep adding new bonuses to the lvls (enhancements), or both. With the Incarnate system, they're able to do this periodically, keeping the interest up.

Additional slots are enormously powerful not even including the extra power picks.

Look at what inherent fitness did.

No you just sound like all the other players who are terrified their enhancements are going to turn red but forgot that they are using IOs.

Again thats your choice, since they never turn red there is no rush to change them all out at once. Also due to ED there is not much benefit in making the bonuses higher anyways.

No, I'm just intelligent enough to realize that raising the level cap introduces a host of issues and there's no reason whatsoever to even do it.

Praytell what would raising the level cap do for the game that can't be achieved through adding more content for level 50s, or the incarnate system? What advantage is there to raising the level cap? I'll make it easy for you, it doesn't even have to be an advantage that warrants all the extra effort it would require, just one that makes it worth doing at all.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Originally Posted by reiella Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

No one is terrified about anything. We're just discussing, with distaste at worst, a really bad idea. Fortunately, the devs have made it clear they aren't dumb enough to be considering an increase in the level cap.

Well it would turn all the level 45-50 content into exemp down content that could still be reasonably scaled.

That's not an advantage. :P

Originally Posted by reiella Until I see something that states to the contrary, going to assume VK is right .

Yes but this team wasn't looking to join a league. They were in the AE building in the RWZ about to run missions there. The League leader never invited any of them they just sort of showed up in our league and had to be individually removed. I am pretty sure that was not Working As Intended. LOL

*shrug* You invite someone already on a team (though I assumed it was only the team's leader) to your League, the entire team goes with them. WAI, I figured.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

We weren't sure how it happened and the league leader didn't recall inviting anyone from that team including the leader. Now one guy he did invite apparently had been running AE missions prior to joining us.. maybe he'd been a part of that team and it somehow sparked the glitch. We straightened it out but it was strange.

Hmm I did know it was possible to invite an entire team, or even smaller teams or two or three to a league. Had no idea they could also be kicked that way. Then again I haven't gotten comfy enough to lead a league yet so i don't have acces to that menu. I will make a mental note of that for if it happens again so i can clue the leader in and undo the problem faster THANKS Dispari