Why not just more levels ?

Umm, gonna have to say no to this.

Enhancements are transferable for the same reason a gun is transferable. It is not part of your character, and anyone can use a gun.

I look at the incarnate stuff kind of like training for something. If my friend learns martial arts and I sit around playing video games, I don't get to suddenly become a black belt when he decides he doesn't want to be a martial artist anymore. If I want to be a black belt, I need to earn it myself. Incarnate abilities are the same way, if this character didn't do it, then this character doesn't get the benefit from someone else doing it either.

I solved that problem by not trying to Incarnate characters I'm not particularly attached to. I don't want to go to all that effort for a character I consider expendable. I have, currently, 2 characters that have made any appreciable progress on Incarnate abilities, and I'm trying to decide who's next.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

I agree with this...

My only issue is now it seems that there is trial burnout where not nearly as many trials are being run as when it first released (understandable, and not a complaint at all).

Unfortunately, as I have limited playtime, and that is rarely at peak times, that could easily mean a half hour wait in Pocket D trying to get on a trial. Considering often that is about half of the playtime I can dedicate to a day, waiting around is not fun.

I really wish the LfL system could pull you out of instances. I understand if you are on a TF, or Ouro, Or in AE that it shouldnt be an option probably souldnt work in pvp zones either, but why cant you get a popup asking you while you are in a mish that a league is about ready, do you want to join it like you requested, or skip it because you are now focused on something else. It may even get people to actually use the turnstile system.

I dont know if anyone else has noted, but murphy's law states that as soon as you step 10 feet in a mish, a league will advertise.*


*In before someone suggests I should enter a mish as soon as I login.

I agree with this as well. Giving people the ability to strip the Incarnation off of their characters would be the same exact thing as being able to strip down lvl 40-50, and transfer that to another character.

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Im pretty sure posi has mentioned multiple times he does not want everything to come out at once. So rather than just raising the level cap by 10 they are instead introducing incarnate powers. So there is always something to look forward to, and the game keeps getting bigger and our toons more powerful.

Unless you want them to just raise the level cap by 1 every issue, which one do you think it funner? Raise level cap or a new incarnate power every issue?

I for one think gaining the ability to punch stuff so hard it explodes is funner than getting hand clap as a set mule.

They have also said that iPowers ARE NOT ending with omega.

I would rather have more levels with more actual powers not incarnate power. for the most part all these powers are just fluff because we cant use the level shifts outside of the dumb broken non-rewarding trials (still borked giving me only uncommons). It does not feel like the 1-50 experience at all with the incarnate system. Nor does it feel like 51+ like it does in other MMOs.

Is this the same "only" as when you were "only" getting Trap of the Hunger procs prior to Reward Merits being introduced?

Stopping at 50 has nothing to do with laziness. This game is designed differently from other MMO's. Frankly, the idea of increasing the level cap in this game well and truly BLOWS. Seriously, the idea is so bad and so stupid that it doesn't even merit consideration.

It would require a revamp of most game systems and most enemy groups and - here's the important part - IT WOULD GIVE NO BENEFIT. Raising the level cap serves no inherent purpose. Raise it to 60, people rush to 60 and start complaining again. Raise it to 70 and the same happens. Much better to stop at a specific number, never raise it, and head off all that stupidity.

Pretty much this. As it stands, being 50+1 makes pre-Incarnate content laughably easy. It may not seem like much, but a differance of one level alone makes for a huge differance in power. A level 50 enemy is no threat to a 50+1.

You mean like training origin enhancements ?

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Every other MMO is not City of Heroes. By design it is not. Raising the cap makes it a grind-fest to hit the next cap. Older content becomes obsolete and abandoned. In my personal experience folks can't wait to get to 50. Raise it to 60? It will be chewed through in a week--maybe a few days. It's an ***-load of work for something that will hardly matter in the long run. Their energy is best spent adding more worthwhile(and by this I mean fun) content.


--and it appears Ironblade long since said this D'oh!

How is this different from what we have now ?

So you want more of that? I sure don't.

Not even close.

I sat around playing video games.

My friend practiced martial arts for years.

I don't get to automatically gain his skill when he decides not to practice martial arts anymore. If I want that same level of skill, I will have to spend the same amount of time learning it for myself.

Incarnate abilities are the same way. If one character doesn't do the content to unlock them, they don't get to have those abilities magically passed to them when a different character is deleted or no longer played.

It is one of the few things in the game where it makes perfect sense for each character to have to do it individually.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

I'm doing this on my Tanker on my second account, and my sanity is fine thank you very much.

Agreed.. while it seems simple to just say "Lets just add ten levels and let them go to 60." The game isn't geared for it and it would take ?? who knows how long to create critters to give a 60 level a good fight. Considering the design of the rest of the game it might even require 2 whole new zones.. one blue and one red side with 53-62 level villans, a whole new set of contacts, new story arcs and quite possible even new enemy groups to battle or at least new factions of older groups. Then we get into is 60 level enough? I picked it sort of assuming we'd gain one of the current incarnate powers every other level BUT realistically the rate beyon 32 in one power every 3 levels so 1 at 49 (that we have now) a 2nd at 52, 3rd at 55, and so on... using that scale we'd get the Omega power at level 79. Now we seriously need a new zone and potentially new enemies.. No way the current 50 levels survive long roaming a zone with 80+ level villains. So now we are talking between 10 and 30 new level , new zones new enemies and .. what NO Task Forces or Strike Forces through 30 levels of play???

See just like Lothic said they's be better off introducing COH2 with features like that built in than trying to add that much new content now to what we have.

I documented my incarnate stuff more carefully and aside from the very first week this was active, I have only gotten uncommons.

No thats just a cop out, people are worried about all their enhancements suddenly being invalidated. So what, it just gives you more reason to go with IOs instead. For the issue with HOs all the devs have to do is add a little bit of code that makes the bonus for HOs static, problem solved. They just add another tier of gear for those who want to get it while everyone else can just keep what they had.

You act like the incarnate system isnt a grind. Its potentially never ending grind where you can never possible ever get that very rare, where as the level cap has a definate end in sight until the next increase.

Well they would have alot of that stuff done had they not wasted so much time and energy into AE. Its all about priorities and clearly the devs have alot of stuff in the wrong priority. There is no reason they should be letting the super uber lag continue on with the incarnate trials. There is no reason why we should have so many long standing unresolved bugs in this game. A good of example of 2 we still have are the wierd graphic holes in the final room of the LGTF. That map has never displayed correctly for me since that tf was created. I do not have one of those half ***** video cards either so I know its not me as other players I have teamed with have the same problem. Seer Marino's arc still has the wrong way point even after I have bugged it since issue 7 and its still not fixed. But let there be some worthless badge that doesnt work that gets fixed in 5 minutes.

Yes, it is a grind, however, it doesn't cause you to lose all the enhancements that you have worked possibly hundreds if hours to get. And upgrading enhancements isn't as simple as you make it sound. If they're going to increase the lvl cap, they have to make new, higher-lvl enhancements. Which turn those hundreds-of-millions or even billion-infl purps and pvp IOs into ones worth maybe 10-mil inf. I think that would cause more people to leave then anything.

Everything in the entire game is already set to peak at level 50. If you raise the cap to 60, suddenly:

* We have to have a new PvP zone just for 51-60.
* We have to have numerous new PvE zones just for 51-60 (one zone isn't going to cut it for all the new characters who suddenly have to gain another 10 levels).
* It would require an entire 10 levels worth of new story arcs and task forces just to keep people busy. If you added 10 levels and gave them less content than we have now at max level, you would actually be giving people at max level less to do which is the exact opposite of a good idea, and the opposite of what adding content is supposed to achieve.
* Suddenly, things like safeguards/mayhems, HOs, purple sets, the purple patch (it currently isn't set up to handle anything past +/- 50), mothership raids, incarnate trials, and badges have to be retailored with level 60 players in mind.
* All existing arch-villains, heroes, and high-end story arcs are no longer for max level players. Do you want to throw everything onto the same pile as random story arc #8675309 that nobody runs?
* All the high-end task forces are no longer high-end task forces. If you had to exemplar to run an ITF, would you?

It sounds like your solution is to just make all those things be for level 60s too. In which case, what is the point of adding more levels if it doesn't change anything? If the only point to adding more levels is to add exp grind and obtaining more powers, the incarnate system already does that. The only thing adding more physical levels would do is throw off the balance of the game and add tons more work than is necessary.

It's not about "laziness" in not wanting to have to add 5 new zones; dozens of story arcs; ten new task forces; update tons of existing arcs, task forces, and trials; fix tons of issues and bugs; rewrite everything; and retailor all existing high-level content and rewards. It's about how stupid it is to go do that when it's completely unnecessary and a waste of developer time to do so, when raising the level cap would achieve literally nothing.

Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.

Sorry but I fell out of my chair when you said pvp. I am not even going to addressed that one.

If people are using IOs they are not going to suddenly just go red all of sudden. People keep forgetting this. As for as HOs are concerned they can just go back and make the bonus static as they should have done in the first place. As for as the arcs and stuff the same thing could be said about all the lower level content when the level cap was 40, they added more for 41-50. I do not see how thats any different. Its just going to take alot more of it. Moving developer resources to things like that instead of wasting time on the AE could easily fix this on the arcs issue. Lastly given how easy it is to make arcs in the AE and the devs have superior tools to that I do not see why we do not have way more missions being pumped out than we do now.