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Or the new "Resistance" content.
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Yeah, I gave them an earful about that with predictable results. One of the devs claimed they didn't know about GR (right, and Elvis will posting right after me); the kneepad brigade was quick to mention that Multifaria (et al) was in the tabletop game before City, like that matters.
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Kinda like saying Lord of the Rings, rips off World of Warcraft.
Or that Warhammer rips off Warcraft.
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It matters in the same sense that "Microsoft and Apple ripped off Xerox PARC" matters, i.e., it is factually true but useless. I ran a game shop back in the 80s. I sold (and bought for myself) Warhammer products looooooong before they were cool. I knew Blizzard was biting off of Warhammer (and by extension LoTR) as soon as I saw Orcs and Humans. Blizzard got there first as far as this market is concerned.
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Well it sort of does.
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That's one of the worst positions possible. If I make a TV show that's a pretty blatant ripoff of, say, Mage: the Awakening, and later White Wolf makes a TV show based on WoD, including Mage, that doesn't mean they're ripping me off.
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It matters in the same sense that "Microsoft and Apple ripped off Xerox PARC" matters, i.e., it is factually true but useless. I ran a game shop back in the 80s. I sold (and bought for myself) Warhammer products looooooong before they were cool. I knew Blizzard was biting off of Warhammer (and by extension LoTR) as soon as I saw Orcs and Humans. Blizzard got there first as far as this market is concerned.
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Did you just use "casual gamer" and "purpled-out warshade" in the same sentence?
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PM me. I'll show you the disappointment that is "The Other Guys' Going Rogue". :/
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That's one of the worst positions possible. If I make a TV show that's a pretty blatant ripoff of, say, Mage: the Awakening, and later White Wolf makes a TV show based on WoD, including Mage, that doesn't mean they're ripping me off.
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Perhaps "rip off" is technically the wrong term, but it encapsulates the situation nicely.
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I think it's silly to consider "resistance" as something to ripoff, pretty much in general. It's a generic construct.
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Context and timing are everything. If you demonstrate that a Mage-style product is successful in a television format, and your competitors decide to cash in on that success shortly afterwards -- even by releasing an adaptation based on a prior creation -- then yeah: they're making a transparent and cynical copy-cat move.
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I think it's silly to consider "resistance" as something to ripoff, pretty much in general. It's a generic construct.
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I know you're not joking and was tempted to link to the preview video on the competition online's site before I decided not to risk getting mod'ed over it. (It has to be seen to be believed, though, the similarities are so numerous, even if the setting doesn't look nearly as richly designed.)|
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Perhaps "rip off" is technically the wrong term, but it encapsulates the situation nicely.
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It's also a pretty common one: Follow the Leader.| That's one of the worst positions possible. If I make a TV show that's a pretty blatant ripoff of, say, Mage: the Awakening, and later White Wolf makes a TV show based on WoD, including Mage, that doesn't mean they're ripping me off. |
In your example, the second TV show isn't ripping off the earlier one in the purely technical sense that they are not plagiarizing, but they are attempting to capitalize on the success of the earlier product.
When the first Battlestar Galactica came out everyone and his dog immediately pegged it as ripping off Star Wars. This despite the fact that Star Wars was not exactly the most original thing to come down the pike, and the fact that Larson had actually pitched the idea back in 1968. The respective studios even sued each other over it (the cases were dismissed, AFAIK). Nevertheless the only reason Galactica was made was to capitalize on the success of Star Wars, so while there may not have been any actionable "ripping off" going on, ABC and Universal didn't exactly have clean hands either.
City has been guilty of this too. Issue 9 gave us a villain who plotted to steal everyone's superpowers, who gave a badge entitled "Save the World" when thwarted, and parked a familiar-looking young lady outside the Steel Canyon university. Issue 12 gave us Cimerora, with a familiar-sounding name that certainly had nothing to do with a recently-launched competitor. Mission goals to defeat 300 ancient warriors and certain lines of dialog of course bore no resemblance to any movies released about that time, either. And then there's Going Rogue itself.
As others have pointed out the whole goatee universe thing (and please, let's call it that, despite both companies and their respective kneepad brigades trying to claim otherwise) is trite in any case. To me that just makes the offense worse. Couldn't they have found something more valuable to steal?
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But she has no nose!
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Watched the trailer. Felt more like X Men to me.
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Did you read the feature page for that "pack"?
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I think it's silly to consider "resistance" as something to ripoff, pretty much in general. It's a generic construct.
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I just watched the trailer and laughed.
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Still, makes even less sense to me than the claim from White Wolf regarding Underworld. I'll admit I said it was a rip-off when I first saw it on that site, but, y'know, it's kind of silly. Kind of like claiming that time-travel from the future to avoid an apocalyptic future world could be seen as a rip-off of another [ok, actually a couple that I can think of off-hand |
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Capital-R "Resistance" in a dystopian mirror-world, on the other hand...
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So, CoH was the first story ever to have the idea of an evil mirror universe... Oh, wait, it wasn't. Since the term "Mirror Universe" comes from that old Star Trek episode, which is decades old. And I have a "best of Sci-Fi" book with a story about someone hopping across dimensions and ending up in a "Nazi America" which is even older than the Star Trek episode.
I don't know anything about the pen and paper version of that game. But given that it's been around forever, I'd be surprised if there had never been a book about that as a setting or campaign idea. At best, Going Rogue might have inspired them to put it online sooner. I think it's a little much to claim that they stole the entire concept from here.
Right, they were looking over the Champions IP for an idea for their next big update and just decided the goatee universe was the best prospect with no consideration as to what was happening in their own market.
And the check is in the mail. (That's really a dead line, isn't it. I haven't mailed a check in years....)
In Cryptic's defense, it is entirely possible and maybe even probable that The Suits handed down an order to jump on the bandwagon. That's about the only thing that could possibly exonerate them here.
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At best, Going Rogue might have inspired them to put it online sooner.
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In Cryptic's defense, it is entirely possible and maybe even probable that The Suits handed down an order to jump on the bandwagon. That's about the only thing that could possibly exonerate them here.
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Could also of been that they saw DC's Crisis on Two Earths, The Justice Lords episodes of JL (I can see a lot of similarity between the Justice Lords version of earth and Preatoria, at least when it comes to the buildings.), read anything of Marvel's that deals with 'evil' heroes taking over the Earth.
Hell if you get down to it, it's far more similar to Marvel's Exiles story line 'With an Iron Fist' in which Tony Stark takes over the world than it is to going Rogue.
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